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06 January 2008

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SH

Osama, are you seriously comparing a democratic process in the Glasgow Central Labour Party to the current succession of the PPP in Pakistan.
Mr Sarwars son has been VOTED to stand as the candidate by the membership of the party - unlike the dynastic succession in Pakistan.
Lets not try and score cheap political points with inaccurate comments.......

Shavez

Yep, Sarwar stuffing a selection meeting full of his placemen is part of the democratic process.

Osama, Sarwar's people do seem to be taking your blog very seriously!

SH

In reply to Shavez

I am not one of 'Sarwar`s people' as you seem eager to point out - i am merely pointing out an inaccurate comment.

As to 'stuffing a selection meeting full of his placemen ' - The principle of democracy is that people have a free vote - whether they are aligned with one party(or person) or another is the nature of the system - that is like saying Labour is in government nationally because it got more of its voters out than the other parties - isn`t that the purpose of fair/free elections?

Shavez

Sure, you commented on one sentence out of this whole article in the interests of accuracy.

If it was truly accuracy you were interested in, you'll go back and read exactly what Osama wrote. He's talking about the kind of backward thinking that saw both Bhutto and Sarwar cast their eye over the entire world and come to the conclusion that the best people just happen to be their family members. It's the whole baradaree system, but even narrower.

If it was really accuracy you were interested in, you'll note that the PPP leadership committee ratified the selection of Zardari and son. Due process was followed, it just wasn't worth the paper it might be written on. In the same way, I'm sure you're not naive enough not to know how Sarwar's selection meetings work - 10 years ago, the meeting was packed full of "members" he signed up, most of whom couldn't give a stuff about Labour. The same thing happened in in 2007. Out of the whole of Glasgow Central, the meeting happened to be held in Pollokshields. The letter of the law may be followed, but is it within the spirit of it? Is it what the Athenians had in mind?

SH

I`m not sure what your implication is?
Do the people voting not have the freedom to choose who they vote for?
`The letter of the law may be followed` - exactly - the law has been adhered to. There was nothing stopping any other candidate bringing their supporters out to vote.
Also `Due process was followed, it just wasn't worth the paper it might be written on.` - what does this mean? I rather think you are confusing yourself.

Shavez

I'm well aware you won't get it.

Umar Malik

Word on the street in Pakistan is that Zardari was behind the killing and the will was actually fabricated. Scotland yard officers have also noted that since his release from prison a few years ago they have not been living together & their marital relations were strained, there are even rumours that they had started divorce proceedings. Also the 13 bodyguards around BB at the time of her killing were all Zardari's henchmen (& spent time in jail with him) & not part of BB's usual entourage -namely the janasheen Benazir (the fools prepared to die for BB as human shields, who bore the brunt of the Karachi attack in October). 8 of these bodyguards were killed in the attack and the other 5 are reported to be "missing". I was surprised that BB named Zardari successor knowing very well his reputation not only in the PPP but across the country.

It is unlikely that Musharraf or the ISI were behind it, although it is likely that the latter would have been aware of an impending attack, because nothing in Pakistan, especially pindi happens without the ISI knowing. Musharraf had no interest in eliminating BB.

aineliva

And "feudal dynastic privilege" of the male, is often and that's almost without fail, upheld and supported by religion, and claimed religious tradition.

And that lack of seperation of church, state, and the continuance of feudal and patriarchal, rights are the ones that scare a lot of people. Are you finally beginning to understand what the fears are Osama? I do believe that you do, but you are scared to actually voice that understanding.

As a coroner delivers a verdict on yet another woman, murdered by ignorance.

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