Misplaced revenge

This was the aftermath of an attack on an Asian shop in the Riddrie area of Glasgow yesterday. Someone reverse-rammed a car into the premises and set it on fire. It seems like a copycat revenge attack after what happened at Glasgow Airport.

More pictures here. I only got there after they'd removed the car. Disappointingly, there has been hardly any media coverage of this. I heard from the PA that this has happened, but the way that it was being spoken about was that it was a relatively minor incident. When I got there, they were demolishing the building.

There's been some debate about foreign policy this week. It would be worth reflecting that if this is how out of control someone or some people in Glasgow get after the Glasgow Airport incident, then how would some in Iraq react to the destruction there, not to mention the loss of some 650,000 lives?

It should go without saying, but this kind of misplaced vengeance doesn't get us anywhere. I hope arrests take place quickly regarding this. The people of Riddrie though are no more to blame for what's happened here than the Muslim community are for what happened at the airport.

Comments

[Ahmed]

If a Muslim had carried this out it would have been classified as a bombing campaign with non-stop TV coverage. You make a very solid and pertinent point: It would be worth reflecting that if this is how out of control someone or some people in Glasgow get after the Glasgow Airport incident, then how would some in Iraq react to the destruction there, not to mention the loss of some 650,000 lives?

[Rory Winter]

Yes, it's just unbelievable. We have two minor incidents in London and Glasgow and the mainstream media (MSM) blow it out of all proportion.

Terror! Horror!

Yet, compared to the mass terror and horror committed by the US and UK in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, this was nothing.

Just shows how cheaply the western MSM holds the lives of middle easterners in comparison. It's racism plain and simple.

[Ted]

" It's racism plain and simple."

Twaddle. The media in London and Glasgow are concerned with events in London and Glasgow, incredible as that may seem. What happens in my street is more important to me and mine than what happens 4,000 miles away. Was ever thus and ever will be.

I don't think ramming a car at an empty shop - however ill-advised and wrong - is morally equivalent to driving gas cylinders into a crowded airport. I may be wrong. Who knows. One is an act of attempted mass murder whilst the other is misplaced frustration at a building.

How many of the suspects arrested over the Glasgow and London attacks are even from Iraq?

[joe90]

Ted,
I seem to remember the Provos were counted as 'terrorist' - however, they too usually tried to make sure the building they were blowing-up weren't full of people.

So there's you are, you are a P/IRA apologist.

And as usual Ted,
you're twaddling on and doing your old Neville Chamberlain routine viz. 'small countries far away of which we know little about' - and I thought British appeasement was another bankrupt foreign policy as well, best forgotten.

It's good to know Ted-like apologists for racist mass-murderers such as Hitler and Hitlerian foreign polcies of 'unprovoked aggression' are alive and well, still amongst us - and don't care who gets murdered or killed as long as Ted and his ilk are safe and well, unlike British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, risking everything for a pack of lies and for people like Ted who couldn't care less if they lived or died.

Not bad going Ted.
You are an apologist for -
- the P/IRA
- Hitler
- the supreme crime of 'unprovoked aggression'
- Blair-Bush lies about Iraqi WMD
- British troops injured and murdered for no reason whatsoever, or is it that you just don't care?

Was Ted ever thus?

[Ted]

'he Provos were counted as 'terrorist' ' - The Provos are terrorists and I cannot recall any instance where they targetted empty buildings. They would not have killed so many people if they had done so.

The rest of your post is, as ever, irrelevant and flatulent.

[joe90]

Ted the ostritch
as usual totally lost when it comes to history.

The Provos 'modus operandi' was to phone warnings to newspapers etc to give plenty of time to get buildings and public areas cleared of people before their bombs went off.

Ted, how do you know this crazed terrorist driver knew, or didn't know, if there were people in this building in Riddrie?
Care to provide evidence for your apologia for domestic bnp-type terrorism?

Your definitions are hopeless - according to you the Provios aren't terrosrists.

I see Ted, you are still supporting those who are attacking and murdering British troops abroad, for whatever reason - as well as you supporting those at home, who are deliberately putting British troops abroad, in harms way, for a pack of lies about Iraqi WMD.

We are all being put at risk by British government lies and war crimes abroad - as British intelligence reports clearly stated to Blair would happen, before he carried out the ultimate crime of 'unprovoked aggression' against innocent defenceless Iraq.

Ostritches of a feather, flock together - wasn't it ever thus!

[joe90]

To put things in perpective, last year -

93 Scots were murdered by other Scots -
Homicide level lowest in 15 years
BBC Scotland
21 Nov 2006

212 Brits were murderd by their employers -
Deaths at work fall to record low
BBC Scotland
17 Aug 2006

I don't have the figures for the numbers of people murdered, injured and terrorised by drivers, but it's horrific and the best of it is, drivers get off scot-free.

all the best!

ps
it seems that employers just don't want to fit in, despite HMG efforts to educate them - they seem to be lacking the necessary language skills and training needed to fight the war against terrorism in the workplace!

Also,
Scots don't want to fit in, despite the fact etc etc....

pps
this morning BBC Radio 3 news refered to 'Islamic radicalism' in the UK, and not its usual staple of 'Islamic fundamentalism' - what is going on I wonder?

[David Inglis]

All the best for the gathering on saturday. It sounds a great way to send a message out of the unity between muslim and non-muslim communities in scotland.
Whatever idiotic people carried out the attack on the shop in Riddrie are an embaracement to Scotland and just goes to prove the level of niavity and lack of education that exists in some members of society.

[Andrew Johnstone]

Yes, it's just unbelievable. We have two minor incidents in London and Glasgow and the mainstream media (MSM) blow it out of all proportion.

Firstly, i cant believe someone would call these 2 incidents minor - an attempt to kill and maim hundreds of innocent people. Cant actually believe a British Citizen has said it!

Secondly, and sadly i dont see the communities of Scotland EVER embracing each other, and a small 'gathering' in the city wont change that.

The only community being singled out are muslims. No one is weary or angry at Sikhs, Christians or Jews because no-one of these religions (presently) is carrying out these attacks in Britain.

When the attacks stop, pray be soon, then the communities will have a better chance of co-existing peacefully.

Until then i think the divide will still remain, reasons be that the other communities dont believe the Muslim community is doing enough to weed out the extremists. I am only stating the view of many people i have spoken to.

The trust has been lost, and has been replaced with anger and frustration.

Also, i have also spoken to many people who believe that the muslim community has only brought this upon themselves - seeming to some that they create self segregation, for instance talking in their own language when non-muslims are present.

That is ignorant, and isolates those who cannot understand leading many to say "Im sure they were talking about me" Maybe if the muslim community would look at it from the other communities point of view - you seem happy to segregate yourselves from all aspects of life, yet we never hear the end of muslims complaining they are the victims.

Racism is sadly a part of human nature, it can never be totally stamped out, but our actions dictate to what degree it is present.

The government is talking of bringing in racial profiling to deal with handling security just now - it is not on the grounds of being racist, but on the grounds for security - for muslims to call that racist and that it is persecution is wrong, the facts are, the attacks are being carried out by those of an asian appearance, not whites. If i were muslim and was wanting to prove how much i wanted to help stamp out the extremists then i would embrace it, let it be known i had nothing to hide.

By not doing so it looks like you are trying to hide something.

[craig fotheringham]

Bizarre comments!

Political violence is wrong. You don't have choose between being against the invasion of Iraq or car bombs in Britain or (most likely)BNP attacks on Asian owned shops. You can be against all of them.

[mohammed khan]

what a lovely, cohesive society there is in scotland! NOT!

[John, Edinburgh]

You are just guessing that this 'attack' is some sort of response to the failed terrorist attack last weekend at Glasgow airport. Have you any evidence at all?

Isn't this exactly the sort of 'rush to judgement' that is so roundly condemned by apologists for Islamic fundamentalist terrorists when they carry out attacks?

[chappy]

btw why no mention of http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6270000/newsid_6271500/6271540.stm?bw=bb&mp=rm
Not suit your agenda mate?
Your just as Racist as the next guy
I mean just look at you'r links ffs

[Ted]

"The Provos 'modus operandi' was to phone warnings to newspapers etc to give plenty of time to get buildings and public areas cleared of people before their bombs went off."

One wonders then how they managed to kill as many people as they actually did. At best, you seem to be accusing them of a slight carelessness whereas I would, of course, go much, much further than that.

"how do you know this crazed terrorist driver knew, or didn't know, if there were people in this building in Riddrie?"

Of course, no-one can be certain but it's reasonable to conclude that he/she knew the shop and therefore knew its opening hours and the likelihood of staff being in attendance.

None of this avoids the plain fact that it shouldn't happen but in the context of equivalence it is important to weigh up what actually happened. It is simply not an act of attempted mass murder and to pretend otherwise is dishonest and unhelpful.

'according to you the Provios aren't terrosrists.'

No, according to yourself. You were the one who placed the word 'terrorists' in quotation marks as if was in some doubt in your mind (as it clearly is). I responded saying that the Provos are terrorists.

"I see Ted, you are still supporting those who are attacking and murdering British troops abroad"

I am not.

[joe90]

Ted
I'm not accusing the Provos of being inefficient - blowing up empty building or supposedly, empty buildings, is a terrorist act and the Provos in some of their bombing campaigns, deliberately targeted buldings - why else use fire-bombs against buildings and their stock, instead of high-explosive in vulnerable public areas?

Attacking empty buildings is a terrorist tactic, regardless of whether an organisation decides to use murder tactics or not - the one doesn't preclude the other. You don't know much about the tactics of terrosrism Ted, which doesn't surprise me becuse I don't think you know much about anything.

Attacking infra-structure is a traditional terrorist (military) tactic, and this was a terrorist act.

As you say Ted, no-one can be certain - you're right for once - you've no evidence, so why don't you stop this relentless non-stop campaign of yours of making a fool of yourself in public.

What happens in my street is more important to me and mine than what happens 4,000 miles away. Was ever thus and ever will be.
And you are supporting attacks on British troops abroad. You and your selfish kind couldn't care less what happens to them - you've already said so. This is a perfect gift to terrorists attacking them and to our glorious leaders at home, deliberately putting them in harms way for a pack of lies about Iraqi WMD.

Although
I'm not sure if you are refering to New York 9-11 here, or just the millions being murdered and brutalised abroad by Bush, Brown-(Blair) and Olmert.

[Bunc]

I was trying to find something on your blog denouncing Muslim on Muslim violence around the world - can you point me to something?

[Malcy]

"then how would some in Iraq react to the destruction there"

Well apparently they join the Iraqi Army or Police, and take the fight to the terrorists who are busy trying to tear Iraq apart in order to further their goal of establishing some theocratic fascist state.

Some idiots of course side with the Al-Qaeda islamofascists (who in adherance with their doctrine of takfir) are killing thousands of Iraqis a year (but hey they're mostly Shia, so no loss there, according to Al-Qaeda).

"not to mention the loss of some 650,000 lives?"

Oh dear recycling that figure from a thoroughly discredited article in the Lancet does you no good whatsoever.

Btw got any proof that this was anything other than a bungled smash and grab or is it just a chance to indulge in some victimhood whinging? You wouldn't want ot rush to judgment now would you.

Btw any condemnation of Al-qaeda, Dafur or the Islamist violence in Thailand, Phillipines, Germany, Canada, France etc

[joe90]

Oh dear recycling that figure from a thoroughly discredited article in the Lancet does you no good whatsoever.

- that's very interesting Maley!

I have been searching far and wide for this evidence, so please could you let me know where I can find this ridiculously elusive proof?

Here is a quick precis by The Washington Post -
Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000
By David Brown
11 Oct 2006

[Yunus]

If someone rammed a car into my local shop and set it light, you can be sure it would make the national news. Why? Because I live in village that is 99.9% white and overwhelmingly middle class. Imagine the Telegraph/Express etc foaming at the mouth over 'devestation' brought to a 'picturesque Yorkshire village'. The idea that the media is balanced or moral is utter nonsense. Indeed, there is a considerable body of evidence to support Elizabeth Poole's analysis that the media "demonizes Islam, portraying it as a threat to Western interests, thus reproducing, producing and sustaining the ideology
necessary to subjugate Muslims both internationally and domestically" Elizabeth Poole (2002) 'Reporting Islam' (London: I B Tauris) p.17