In most European countries there is a party of the right whose basic definition is its attachment to the national interest of that country. Only here is there a Conservative party, and Tory press, largely in the hands of people whose basic commitment is to the national interest of another country, or countries.

Geoffrey Wheatcroft on the Conservative MPs whose allegiances lie with the US and Israel.

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[joe90]

Among the items broadcast last night on BBC Radio 3 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/nightwaves/pip/2c6y4/>Night Waves (can be listened to again for up to a week after first transmission)
Wed 21 Mar 2007
- there was a mildly interesting discussion - here is the programme blurb -

Philip will also be joined by political columnist Peter Hitchens to discuss his views on the intellectual roots of current Conservative thinking under leader David Cameron. In a forthcoming TV documentary he argues that Cameron has abandoned a hardline rural Tory philosophy for an opportunistic, modernising one, adopting many of the beliefs of New Labour. He'll be in discussion with Tory housing spokesperson Michael Gove MP.

This 'eurosceptic' malarky is just a red herring HMG uses as a smokescreen to carry out policies it is going to do anyway, or it that it has no real choice in the matter, but neither do any other EU members either
ie introducing fishing quotas or else the fish stocks and fish will become extinct.

The One Party Dictatorship of the Proletariat (1 Party with 2 factions, New Lab-Con) in the English Capital are a Yanko-holics, nothing more. The real debate is whether Britain should continue to follow its American orders, especially since we don't get to vote for American politicians but they do get to spend our taxes by ordering Yo Blair to do what they tell him - it's called a 'special relationship', in case anybody is interested.

British military forces, as part of NATO, are now in Afghanistan. NATO is over 25 years past its phoney sell-by date, when the phoney 'Cold War' ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall. What is NATO doing away over in Afghanistan, of all places?

NATO is just another organisation the Yanks use to control its empire and needs to be abolished, or at least Scotland abandon it. It can no longer use the 'Cold War' as an excuse to stay in buisness and its embarrassingly obvious that it's just a part of Pax Americana and has nothing much to do with Europeans.

Where is the 'peace dividend' we were all promised after the end of the 'Cold War'?

[joe90]

Here is a good example of the aesthetics of following the orders of The Great White Father in His House in Washington -
http://abusinan.blogspot.com/2007/03/continuing-to-pimp-out-mecca.html>Continuing to "pimp out" Mecca
from the great Abu Sinan
21 Mar 2007

Beware of nausea whilst visiting this blog article - unbeleievable!

[joe90]

Of course,
tax cuts, as announced in the recent budget, were once regarded as a virtue amongst traditional Tories - now it seems New Labour think they're a good thing too.

[aineliva]

Yes Joe, all of two pence, but then what can be expected of a Presbyterian neo Tory masquerading as a Labourite.....

[joe90]

Yes Joe, all of two pence, but then what can be expected of a Presbyterian neo Tory masquerading as a Labourite.....

- well, you tell me mrs bletherite, what can be expected...etc etc?

I'm dying to know because I've never came across this phenomenon myself, unlike yourself, who seems to know everything about everything and to whom nothing ever comes as a surprise. You need never dirty your precious white hands by providing verifiable references or sources from the sphere of empirical reality, such is the level of you and your never-ending profundities - just pure thought alone conjures the facts of your own little world into being.

Mind you, what else could I possibly expect from you, certainly not empirically verifiable facts validated by a reality shared by the rest of humanity etc?

[aineliva]

Am I intended to accept that your diatribe Joe90, quote "I'm dying to know because I've never came across this phenomenon myself, unlike yourself, who seems to know everything about everything and to whom nothing ever comes as a surprise. You need never dirty your precious white hands (racist diatribe) by providing verifiable references or sources from the sphere of empirical reality, such is the level of you and your never-ending profundities - just pure thought alone conjures the facts of your own little world into being.." (end of Joe90 quote) of nasty, barely veiled insults are (another Joe90 quote coming up) that the above statement falls under your own definition of "empirically verifiable facts validated by a reality shared by the rest of humanity etc?"

Never heard of the rhetorical question then?

[aineliva]

Joe90, your own words, verifiable enough for you.... and as to reality, well, when you know more about it let me know, that could be interesting. As to knowing everything, I generally leave that to you...

[joe90]

but then what can be expected of a Presbyterian neo Tory masquerading as a Labourite.....

- I still have no idea, what is to be expected of this phenomena you seem so familiar with, care to let me in on this big secret of yours?

As usual, you just speak utter gibberish, so no surprises there then either - same with your never-ending vacuous ad hominum accusations - well, its either that or you are going to have to make sense, now that would be a big surprise

[aineliva]

As usual you are an abusive mouthpiece who claims to have certain principles and be committed to the freedom of humanity.

This however is not demonstrated by your regular snide, vicious, attacks on me. No matter how much education and superiority you believe you possess, it is not demonstrated by your ability, nay, there is no ability to relate on a human level, no big suprise there eh Joe.

You remind me of Dr. No, aka Ian Paisley, because no matter what anyone says you think they are wrong. We all know Mr P is a control freak, what's your excuse?

And I quote from the last selection of insults that you threw at me, Dr NoJoe, is there anything here that you have said, claimed about me, that you can prove are "empirically verifiable facts validated by a reality shared by the rest of humanity etc?" Or is there any possibility that you might debate with others in a reasoned and less hostile manner, and in the process makes some sense, that would be a surprise.

Eh DrNoJoe.

[joe90]

So you don't have any evidence then -

- that's a few times you've been asked to justify your initial statement, and all you have done is spew out your usual ad hominum gibberish and illogical word concatenations -

but then what can be expected of a Presbyterian neo Tory masquerading as a Labourite.....

- I still don't know, after all your usual idiosyncratic nonsense logorhaea, what can be expected from this phenomena you yourself have identified?

If you don't know, the person who invented it, then who else knows about your personal fairytales and fantasies whom I can ask?

Asking you about your own little fantasy world, because you seem unable to explain anything in it when asked to do so, seems to be an excuse for blaming people and accusing them of abusing you - how sweet and touching.

[aineliva]

I do not blame you DrJoeNo because you appear unable to phrase your comments toward me except as barely disguised sniggering malice. Why should I blame you for being who you are? You can't help it. I pity you and hope you can get help.

What gives you the right to "demand" evidence; you had evidence right there, of my sense of humour, but you still don't get it.

And I will repeat what I have previously said, your words, your projections, your assumptions, in your very own sniggering malice tone - are these "empirically verifiable facts validated by a reality shared by the rest of humanity etc?"

That in case you've forgotten is a quote from your own initial comment DrNoJoe. So in all that you "claim" where are your "empircally verifiable facts", I see none.

I think I have made this same point several times and you refuse to respond to it, rather you respond to your own "imagined" dialogue with me, in tones of sniggering malice.

Get a life, get a room....

[joe90]

I'll ask you again,
as you seem more wrapped up than ever, in the wee clouds inside your own insignificant little world that you alone inhabit -

but then what can be expected of a Presbyterian neo Tory masquerading as a Labourite.....

- these are your words (not mine, as you hilariously claim!) so please let me know, what can I expect from a phenonomenon such as this?
I have never came across this phenomena before. You claim you know all about it, so please enlighten me. Please provide references and sources from the real world.

Instead of just putting up with nonsensical make-believe, never-ending, illogical gibberish, I am being made out to be a big bad bully for asking you for the truth.

But maybe you don't actually know what you are talking about - and all I would expect from asking perfectly reasonable questions of the likes of you is just repeated empty personal slander and defamation - after all, that is all you do anyway.

You can't answer a simple question, so, if you throw enough mud, maybe people won't notice you're a shallow, witless moron.

Or maybe you could prove my assessment about your transaparant tacitics wrong by just answering a perfectly straightforward question about the statement you made?

ps
where are your 'Men of Honour' - you know the irish republican terrorists that you idolise, who blew innocent people to pieces, but always done the honourable thing and phoned them all up before hand - I notice you don't mention your support for sectarian violence in your moronic drivelling on the
http://www.osamasaeed.org/osama/2007/03/ibrox_needs_to_.html#comment-64190248>Ibrox needs to shut : aineliva | 23 March 2007 at 08:35 PM
comment thread

By the way verbaldiarrhia,
how did your personal appeal to suicide bombers turn out? You asked them to phone up their victims before they blew themselves up, which you broadcast using Osama's blog and using BLOCK CAPITALS - what happened, any realistic results in the real world?
I haven't seen anything in the news about it.

What made you think it was a realistic tactic to use - did you have examples from actual real life of that sort of use for a small personal webblog changing terrorist habits? What or who was was your role model?

[aineliva]

DrJoeNo, are you Osama's angry persona?

Role model? when responding to you, you are my role model.

[aineliva]

DrNoJoe, here's somethng worth listening to, a voice that we rarely hear - http://www.whyy.org/cgi-bin/newwebRTlookup.cgi

give it a try, instead of wasting your energy with verbose comments that seek to do little but provoke.

[joe90]

I'll ask you again, for the umpteenth time, to provide the evidence that will prove your statement has some basis in reality - this is standard procedure in debates which use 'reason' as its common standard and its authority, so -

but then what can be expected of a Presbyterian neo Tory masquerading as a Labourite.....

- I have no idea, please let me know, what can I expect from this phenonomenon you say exists, and please provide your sources?

And I think it's a bit rich coming from someone like verbaldiarrhia here, who supports the use of terror and violence if people don't happen to agree with their point of view, to call someone such as myself names after Iain Paisley!

What are you going to do if I don't stop using reason, send your 'men of honour' round to blow me and my neighbours to pieces?

[aineliva]

Still don't get it, do you? I mean, you are Scottish and you don't have a sense of humour, even a dry one would do.

When have you ever used reason DrNoJoe? Give me verifiable evidence and sources to demonstrate that you are capable of reason, please, I can't wait.

Read Aayan Hirsi Ali yet? That's a verifiable source and an honest voice.

[joe90]

I'll ask you again mrs terrorist-lover
(or was that just your wacky sense of humour as well, unlike me and my sniggering?)

but then what can be expected of a Presbyterian neo Tory masquerading as a Labourite.....

- I have no idea what this means so could you tell me, giving me sources and references, or is this me being unreasonable as usual?

If I am being unreasonable, please can I have an explaination, or is that me being an unreasonable dour-faced Paisleyite again?

I see you are still trying to pretend you are humourous and this is an example of your vivacious wit - I see no humour, no internet emoticons used for such purposes, and given the general level of your incessant nonsensical logorrhea, I see no reason to believe you were trying to be funny as you now claim, after the fact.

Indeed,
you liken me to Iain Paisley when it is you who are the one who is the sectarian murder-lover, and call these despical butchering animals 'men of honour' -
- or is this just another example of your wacky humour and I'm being like grim-faced Iain Pailsey again?

[joe90]

Does anybody understand these statements and accusations from verbaldiarrheia?

You don't need to know anything about me, or what I have written, or what the author claims they are talking about, to make your own mind up -

..your very own sniggering malice tone..

Compare this bizarre claim to knowledge about my current mental-facial state viz-a-viz that I don't have a sense of humour - to this from the very same source and on the exact same topic of me and my smile, or otherwise or whatever -

..you are Scottish and you don't have a sense of humour, even a dry one would do...

[aineliva]

Hallo DrNoJoe, it seems all I have to do is drop a line or two and it brings an avalanche of abuse and a torrent of slander.

DrNoJoe writes "You don't need to know anything about me, or what I have written, or what the author claims they are talking about, to make your own mind up"; now isn't that a contradiction, since earlier you "demanded" and (here's another DrJoeNo quote) from an earlier comment; "empirically verifiable facts validated by a reality shared by the rest of humanity etc?"

So whilst evidence and empirically verifiable facts are required for any statemtent here, DrNoJoe sees no need for (empirically verifiable facts) when he makes statements/slanderous comments about me.

I do hope that you getting treatment for your Rage-A-Holism, DrNoJoe? Oh and the Denial and Co-Dependency issues.

[joe90]

..your very own sniggering malice tone..

and

....you are Scottish and you don't have a sense of humour, even a dry one would do....

What, if anything do these statements of yours mean, or don't you know anymore?

Unlike yourself and your support for sectarian violence and terrorism, I'm not trying to deny anything, or make others seem bad to make myself look good, after all, how bad can it get if you are a supporter of violent thugs and call them 'men of honour'?

I don't need to try to make you look bad becauae you are worse than that. Why do you think I need to do anything? - you are a terrorist-supporting violent sectarian scumbag.

I'm only pointing out your never-ending utter playgorund gibberish and asking you to explain what it is you are going on about.

Is this denial by you because you can't answer reasonable questions?

I ask you reasonable questions and, hilariously, your try to make me out to be the supporter of sectarian violence by your silly little reference to me and iain paisley, when you are the sectarian thug. Or are you going to deny that as well?

[aineliva]

Ah well, you think what you think.......