Alex Salmond has pledged to establish Scotland's first state Islamic school should he be First Minister come May.

The article also contains a remarkable turnaround in Conservative policy towards faith schools.

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[Ted]

Alex Salmond would butcher his own grandmother if he thought it would win him votes. The Balkanization of Scottish state education is not a good thing, Osama. It's not something to shout from the rooftops. The fact that Salmond is willing to do this shows how morally bankrupt he is and how utterly devious and unscrupulous the SNP is.

[Martin]

Macdrassas.

That's all we fucking need.

I hope to be in the vanguard of those who stage a walk out of Catholic parents who claim their children are being 'forced' to attend Friday prayers.

Think two can't play at that game?

We need a good old fashoned fucking Crusade.

[Sohaib]

Gosh, Martin, have you finally tipped over the edge? Take it easy.

[Martin]

Faith of our fathers, living still,
In spite of dungeon, fire and sword;
O how our hearts beat high with joy
Whenever we hear that glorious Word!

Faith of our fathers, holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death.

Faith of our fathers, we will strive
To win all nations unto Thee;
And through the truth that comes from God,
We all shall then be truly free.

Faith of our fathers, we will love
Both friend and foe in all our strife;
And preach Thee, too, as love knows how
By kindly words and virtuous life.

Faith of our fathers, holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death

[Martin]

I rediscovered Jesus last night, folks.

Welcome to the fucking revolution.

[aineliva]

Anyone up for sending Salmond a symbolic 30 pieces of silver???

[Osama]

Martin: "We need a good old fashoned fucking Crusade"

Martin finally comes out and says what he wants. "Up to our knees in Muslim blood" and all that I suppose Martin eh?

[joe90]

If I remember rightly,
the Crusades weren't that big a success at all. At the end of the day, they were a complete and utter failure in their eastern missions - perhaps martin von munchausen has been reading too much Papal propaganda.

Why would Protestant Christians, just for instance, want to indulge in a typically mediaeval Roman Catholic past-time?

The lyrics reproduced above by Pope Martin were banned from RC Mass quite a few years ago now - still, when you've had it braiwashed into you, why let all that bloodthirsty recidivist rubbish go to waste?

[aineliva]

Faith of Our Fathers, Banned? Joe90? Where? In Scotland where the words encouraged a little sectarian gladatorial combat in the lanes of Glasgow?

Osama, "Martin finally comes out and says what he wants. "Up to our knees in Muslim blood" and all that I suppose Martin eh?"
Just to make the point which certain of the commenters here have failed to understand in the past, I'm not defending anyone.

How can you make that claim, when if you'd watched Channel 4's Dispatches last night, you would have seen the other side of that coin, Osama. Mosques being used to preach hatred and jihad against all non-Muslims. Perhaps people are encouraged to speak extremely, when on our television screens we see that Muslim extremism is alive and well and being touted in mosques.

You are in no position to take the moral high-ground, when your brothers in Islam behave in this hateful way. They are no better than the BNP

[Martin]

Osama,

Only a gold plated ignoramus would paraphrase the words of a PROTESTANT sectarian song and them throw them back at a CATHOLIC!

You have done this. You are therefore a gold plated ignoramus.

Does that jobbyfaced wee toerag Salmond not know that his Muslim main man hasn't quite got a handle on the whole multiculturalism lark?

Jeezo, Osama, one more mistake like that and it will be a short, sharp shock in the diversity gulag for you, my boy.

And if you didn't know, or couldn't work out, that someone from Glasgow called Martin Kelly is a Catholic then you really need to start getting out and mixing more.

Joe90, attack hamster for Palestine and Allah, you write (after a fashion) that,

"The lyrics reproduced above by Pope Martin were banned from RC Mass quite a few years ago now - still, when you've had it braiwashed into you, why let all that bloodthirsty recidivist rubbish go to waste?"

Er, who banned them? When? And if we're now in the business of throwing about stuff like 'bloodthirsty recidivist rubbish', one really can't think of any greater piece of bloodthirsty recidivist rubbish currently doing the rounds than the Koran.

Lord, redeem the Meccan's slaves from his Satanic heresies and lead them to your Kingdom in peace and love.

[DrM]

Yawn. Hows that solicitor scam coming along, marty?

[Martin]

What 'solicitor scam', Twiki?

[joe90]

They let him out when he's well enough to sign the cheques.

martin von munchausen now has delusions about being being the pope with tourettes syndrome -
- the last time I heard from pope martin, he promised he was leaving and not coming back. He probably can't remember that because of his latest dose of shock therapy treatment,

c.we need an effing crusade
Apart from the fact the crusades were all failures (arguably the first done something of sorts) and only brought scandal, corruption and shame on the good name of the Papcy and Roman Catholocism - the only people that would want another 'crusade' are those who have no idea of their history or what they are talking about.

As for that bloodthirsity 'hymn' it was withdrawn from RC public Mass Sevices in Scotland. If you have heard it recently sung it won't have been in a Scottish chapel.

[DrM]

LOL Joe. Pope marty and his entourage of crash test dummies have me shakin' in my boots...

[Osama]

LOL you miss the point as usual my crusading friend. It doesn't matter that you are a Catholic Martin, you can still be a bigot and indeed in your case you are. You clearly have your own version of that song.

Don't you know that they say you could wade through Jerusalem in Muslim blood at the first crusade? And yet you talk so glibly of recreating your own "good old fashoned [sic]" one.

So tell me, do you wish to go to Muslim lands to spill blood? Or kill Muslims here? Would you like to kill me Martin?

[Martin]

Joe90

"He probably can't remember that because of his latest dose of shock therapy treatment"

Right Joe, that's a quick e-mail to be written to University College, Cork, this afternoon to complain about the abuse of its servers by a person with your shocking attitude to the mentally ill.

Hark, what is that? Is it the sound of a toilet flushing in Knocknaheeny?

By the way, is 'Bodega's' still the best drag bar in Cork?

And by the way, kindly don't misquote me - I wrote 'fucking Crusade', not 'effing Crusade'.

Are you taking lessons from Osama in journalistic integrity?

DrM

"Pope marty and his entourage of crash test dummies have me shakin' in my boots..."

DrM, my little robotic friend, I'll happily pit my crash test dummies against your blow-up Pamela Andersons any day of the week.

And it's a great big A Salaam Aleikum to everyone's favourite Muslim bigot, unethical journalist, apologist for kidnapping, possible inciter of perversion of the course of justice and sometime candidate for Parliament Osama Saeed!

As Bruce Forsyth might say 'Salaam Aleikum, Aleikum Salaam!'

"It doesn't matter that you are a Catholic Martin, you can still be a bigot and indeed in your case you are. You clearly have your own version of that song."

Osama, son, thanks for telling me that Catholics can be bigots. I've lived in Glasgow for 36 years and I never knew that.

It's astonishing what you find out on the Internet, you know...

But you sort of lost me with "You clearly have your own version of that song"

What the fuck are you talking about? Really? The song you paraphrased was 'The Billy Boys'. There is no Catholic version of 'The Billy Boys'. There are Catholic sectarian songs, for sure, but no equivalent of 'The Billy Boys'.

And just be very careful that you don't suggest that there is in Bridgeton on the Twelfth of July. Those folks aren't as ecumenically minded as I am.

"Don't you know that they say you could wade through Jerusalem in Muslim blood at the first crusade?"

Shit, I get it now! This is where I'm supposed to feel group guilt! I'm a white Christian - please accuse me!

Osama, I recall advising you once before that it was a good thing that the Meccan prohibited games of chance, because you'd end up losing a fortune to William Hill's.

Read Jean de Joinville's 'Chronicles of the Crusades'. In that book you will read the happy story of the Muslims lining up the Christian prisoners on the beach.

To be beheaded.

Same shit, different century.

Y'all really have to get over this beheading fetish, you know. It's not really very progressive, and as you know the SNP has an extremely liberal criminal justice policy.

"So tell me, do you wish to go to Muslim lands to spill blood? Or kill Muslims here? Would you like to kill me Martin?"

No, Osama, I don't want to do any of these things; but I will tell you what I do want to do.

As a native born British citizen and taxpayer, I want to be able to say that the Meccan was a pederastic warlord, a Satanic heretic who founded a religion of hate, without being either sued or prosecuted and without having some semi-literate so called 'imam' unfamiliar with the great works of English literature take a break from scratching his bollocks to pronounce a death sentence on me.

As a native born British citizen and taxpayer, I want the Meccan's followers to respect my female relations and not call them white infidel whores.

They're not whores; they're all very respectable ladies.

As a native born British citizen and taxpayer, I want to be able to ride public transport without one of the Meccan's followers killing me or mine in Allah's name.

As a native born British citizen and taxpayer, I want the state broadcaster I fund to stop referring to the Meccan as a 'prophet'; I am a Christian, and as far as I'm concerned the Meccan was not a prophet but a Satanic heretic.

As a native born British citizen and taxpayer who belongs to a faith which was suppressed in this country for many centuries and whose adherents are still barred from holding the country's highest office, I would like the Meccan's followers to understand that they are not persecuted in this country; that they have been fortunate enough to come to this country after its great religious struggles have long been resolved, and for them to realise that their constant special interest pleading does nothing but alienate their fellow citizens and taxpayers.

As a native born British citizen and taxpayer, I would like the freedom to burn the Koran in public without fear of arrest.

As a native born British citizens and taxpayer, I would like Islamist/Islamic/Muslim extremists like yourself (let's face it, Oz, you're the shiny, scrubbed up face of Islamic extremism in Scotland, an entryist in the classic Trotskyite tradition; you'd probably shite yourself blind at the thought of blowing yourself up) to be called out for what they are - adherents of a political ideology intent on dominating civic and spiritual life.

Osama, unlike you I'm old enough to remember the Cold War. My political hero is Ronald Reagan, the greatest cold warrior of them all.

Old anti-Communists like me lost a wee bit or purpose when the Berlin Wall fell. 9/11 gave us that purpose back.

The question that you and your co-religionists have to ask yourselves is whether you want to be treated with suspicion, as Communists always were, or whether you want to be in the fold. If you want to be in the fold, then fine; integrate, ditch the jihad, get the child brides learning English and out the house, drop the honour killings, ostracise the headbangers and start behaving like British citizens.

If not, then the Cold Warriors like me will always be on your case.

Until either you or I are dead.

[joe90]

Read Jean de Joinville's 'Chronicles of the Crusades'. In that book you will read the happy story of the Muslims lining up the Christian prisoners on the beach.

- my knowledge is a bit fuzzy on this particularly unimportant source at the mo,
but usually only Knights Templar got the instant chop when the got captured.

Villehardouen's chronicle of the 4th crusade is much more fun and far more representative of what made a 'crusade' tick.

As everyone knows,
the western knights were nothing but a bunch of bloodthirsty intolerant racist butchers, bandits and robbers and their exploits hadn't much to do with any christian impulse - so, nothing much has changed in the intervening period since the west's first failed attempts to export its savage violence abroad known collectively as the 'crusades'.

As Osama pointed out
the bloodbath of the First Crusade shocked everyone at the time and is still bloodcurdling stuff. They massacred everyone in Jerusalem - Jews, Muslims, Christians, dogs cats goats - everything was put to the sword in an orgy of unrestrained violence.

Apart from that carry on your holiness, the infallible one they call pope martin of munchausen now recently re-baptisted as 'cold warrior'

ps
If not, then the Cold Warriors like me will always be on your case.

- just like you von muchausen, the cold war was a made-up mass-media invention -
- Soviet Russia was never any real threat to the west -
- it was just a children's story made up to frighten simpletons like you into following your orders and believing all the guff Murdoch and his cronies churn out -

- much like all the rubbish you swallowed, like the gullible simpleton that you are, about the threat posed by Saddam and his WMD - just another pack of lies to frighten half-wits like you into believe the lies and rubbish spewed out by bush, blair murdoch etc

[John Palubiski]

I fail to see how opening a madrassa in any way, shape or form affirms or re-inforces Scotland's national identity.

The "school" is just the thin edge of the wedge for Wahabbism in Scotland. Its graduates won't even know what the word "dram" means.

Scotland needs many things, but it doesn't need a Madrassa struck from the same template "inspireing" those Mosques and community centres recently featured on Channel 4.

Besides I,d be wary of nationalist movements. The adepts usually harbour a form of blinding resentiment, one which makes them hate the enemy more than they love themselves.

Islamist opportunists know that and quickly realise they can leverage that blind spot to obtain concesssions.....in exchange
(wink, wink) for a few ethnic votes....

People like Alex Salmond have yet to learn the difference between affirming Scotland's identity and ridding the country of English influences and hegemony.

Martin; a note on the crusades. They were defensive wars aimed at protecting Christians....the native inhabitabnts of the region...from the oppression of the Muslims.

Leftists are fond of citing them as precursers to 19th century western colonialism or, if you're a very simple leftist, Bush and Blair in Iraq; they are not.

The Muslims in and around Jerusalem had purposely and maliciously desecrated and detroyed centuries-old Christian shrines thus provoking Europe into defending these holy sites.

Had Islam been tolerant of other peoples and faiths, had they respected the region's Christians, had they had enough backbone and moral fibre to keep their own promises the crusades would never have been necessary.

Muslim complain about them, but they, and they alone, are to blame for their misfortunes.

The current attempt to establish a Scottish madrassa is a supremacist tainted gesture, aggression, similar to those that provoked the crusades.

Like you said: "same shit, different century."

[Ted]

"the cold war was a made-up mass-media invention -
- Soviet Russia was never any real threat to the west"

The capture of almost half of Europe, invasions in two continents and financial and military support to Communist regimes in at least four continents would suggest that we can be thankful Western leaders did not accept such a premise.

"bush, blair murdoch etc"

That reminds me - I watched The King & I last night.

[Martin]

Fuck you, Joe 90, and all who sail in you.

[joe90]

Yes I know you don't keep up with western intelligence estimates but like I said, inconsiderable Ted,
the 'cold war' is pure figment of the imagination, just like saddam and his wmd, just like 'islmic terrorism' or 'columbian drug barons' or 'Cuba' or 'Grenada' or...
....a never ending successions of foreign spooks and hobgoblins specifically designed to scare and hypnotise child-like minds like yours.

The Soviet Union never was a threat to the west and was never a trustworthy ally to any of its erstwhile friends - not my opinion but the opinion of western intelligence agencies and military experts, and history of course.

In case you've forgotten Ted,
the Soviet Union suffered catastrophic losses at the hands of a resurgent nazi germany, hence demands to keep Germany de-militarised and neutralised, which the US rejected out of hand at the end of WWII.

The Soviet Union also kept a ring of satellite states around its border to act as a buffer to any outside threats - ie purely for defenc#sive domestic purposes with abslutley no offensive capability whatsoever.

Unlike the US military which is specifically built and funded as an offensive force, pure and simple. For the purposes of purely defending US borders it is a joke.

And what about the American Empire Ted any criticisms about its noble and just occupations and interventions since WWII?

[joe90]

a note on the crusades. They were defensive wars aimed at protecting Christians....the native inhabitabnts of the region...from the oppression of the Muslims.

Crusades were also launched inside Europe itself Pinheadski -
- so how do you account for purely internal crusades launched against other nominally christian europeans?

And you've already admitted the 4th Crusade attacked the Christians of the region when they took over and sacked Constantinople.

A good case can be made for the Pope's sanctioning of the first English attack on Ireland to be called a 'crusade' - when it was used as a convenient distraction to turn minds away from the English King and the embarrassing martyring of Thomas a' Becket - crusade-like or what?

By the way Peanutbrainski,
seeing as how you are a completely hopeless expert on the matter and I fancy a good laugh -what made the first crusade a crusade?

[Martin]

Oh come on Joe, you're slipping up!

I thought that at least you'd have mentioned how Innocent III sanctioned the massacre of the Albigensi, Julius II's little bloodbath while creating the Papal States or how Clement IX sold the Jesuits out to the Marquis de Pombal by now!

"And you've already admitted the 4th Crusade attacked the Christians of the region when they took over and sacked Constantinople."

An act for which his late Holiness Pope John Paul II apologised in 2004.

Case closed.

Er, where is the Muslim apology for the Christian blood the jihad shed in Turkey thereafter?

Or, er, Armenia in 1915 for that matter?

"A good case can be made for the Pope's sanctioning of the first English attack on Ireland to be called a 'crusade' - when it was used as a convenient distraction to turn minds away from the English King and the embarrassing martyring of Thomas a' Becket - crusade-like or what?"

Not at all. Henry suffered immediate remorse and performed a heavy penance at Becket's grave - an unprecedented act for a Plantagenet king to perform.

"as how you are a completely hopeless expert on the matter and I fancy a good laugh -what made the first crusade a crusade?"

Because they 'took the cross', as in 'crux, cruxis (f)'

[joe90]

Oh come on Joe, you're slipping up!
- from the guy that was never to return to this blog - as consistent as usual

Not at all. Henry suffered immediate remorse and performed a heavy penance at Becket's grave - an unprecedented act for a Plantagenet king to perform.
- in your usual pointless style
the fact that some of the king's men zapped a very important cleric that was giving the king grief was unprecedented, hence the king having to be seen to be doing something undprecedented, plantangent or not

And the point stands,
the Pope sanctioned an attack an invasion of Ireland, a place he considered filled with barbarous savages - hence the start of English inteference in Ireland was by Papal sanction due to all the embarrassement 'a Beckets unprecendted martyrdom caused - wearing the martyrs vest and inside holy church precincts when his martyrdom occurred.

The papacy apologised in 2004 case closed
- gosh, that'll come as a big relief to the victims.

You had better ask our NATO ally and EU candidate, Turkey, what its doing about the Armenian holocaust - as you know, I'm not a big fan of US puppet states, you are -
- so what are your big heroes of the Turkish state doing about their past crimes, mr cold war hero?

Because they 'took the cross', as in 'crux, cruxis (f)'
- wrong! Not even close and doesn't even address my question.

- care to try again, pope martin the holy cold warrior chuck norris-style vigilante with tourette syndrome? and a problem with the info at wikipedia on the crusades

[Ted]

"And what about the American Empire Ted any criticisms about its noble and just occupations and interventions since WWII?"

So, Soviet actions are to viewed in isolation, at worst, as defensive, at best, whilst American actions are always malevolent, offensive and part of a greater plan of domination.

As ever, Joe, you're mentally unstable.