Muslim law reaches Britain

So says the Daily Express, who must have been kicking themselves that they got the story a full day after the Telegraph. No matter, they still put it on their front page.

Islamic law does indeed exist in many forms in this country. I'm married under it, have a bank account arranged under its principles, and I eat meat slaughtered according to it. Panic stations everybody. Now.

The Express speaks of local religious 'courts' sitting and giving rulings on civil matters (the reports mention a Somali court ruling on a criminal matter, but it sounded like it had no relationship with shariah). When people go through other forms of arbitration rather than take legal action, it's called settling out of court. When Muslims do it, it's called a two-tier legal system that is threatening the very fabric of our society.

I have to say that I've never actually heard of such courts sitting in the official form that these reports indicate. I have though heard of imams being called in to deal with family disputes, divorces etc and giving an opinion which is then taken on board. If both parties are happy with that, then I can't see what the problem is.

The newspaper articles stemmed from a BBC Radio Four's Law in Action programme. That episode also mentioned Jewish law courts. Astoundingly, the Express and Telegraph omitted to mention that, concentrating on the Muslim angle - anyone still think they don't have an agenda? The Telegraph piece was written by Joshua Rozenberg, not exactly someone unfamiliar with Judaism to pass over any mention of it so easily. His wife, Melanie Phillips, would have to write another book, Londonrael.

Comments

[joe90]

Martin,
I can't imagine what a solicitor has against people supporting law and order - could you tell me what you find wrong with supporters of law and order?

You still haven't told me, anywhere, what professional solicitor's body you belong to and where I can find a copy of your professional code of ethics.

A straightforward answer to a straightforward question Martin - what seems to be the trouble, I can't imagine.

I suppose I'm going to be regaled with some long-winded hilariouly unfunny metaphor involving rodents as part of the totally obvious obfuscationary tactics.

Are you sure you aren't one of these radio disc jockey types that's been to prison or been on the wrong end of the law?

I say that because of the various silly voices you have adopted along with the rank unfunny patter that goes with them - as well as your obvious distate for the law and law-abinding citizens who use their freedom of expression that living in a British democracy entitles them to - and your mendacity when asked straightforward simple to answer questions.

I am right in thinking that this 'hamster' thingy you seem to have adopted as your own was first used by DrM, I am right there aren't I Martin - or is it original material?

Strange childish playground behaviour for someone who claims to be a 'solicitor'.

[Martin]

"Are you sure you aren't one of these radio disc jockey types that's been to prison or been on the wrong end of the law?"

Well, I have been inside Barlinnie, Greenock, Aberdeen, Perth, Polmont, Longriggend, Glenochil (and Cornton Vale...) but for never more than an hour.

"I say that because of the various silly voices you have adopted along with the rank unfunny patter that goes with them - as well as your obvious distate for the law and law-abinding citizens who use their freedom of expression that living in a British democracy entitles them to - and your mendacity when asked straightforward simple to answer questions."

Mendacity means to lie; you will see its meaning explained in the undernoted link -

http://www.osamasaeed.org/osama/2006/11/jack_straw_driv.html

"I am right in thinking that this 'hamster' thingy you seem to have adopted as your own was first used by DrM, I am right there aren't I Martin - or is it original material?"

Couldn't give a monkey's what DrM says - he sounds like Twiki off Buck Rogers

"Strange childish playground behaviour for someone who claims to be a 'solicitor'."

Again

http://www.osamasaeed.org/osama/2006/11/jack_straw_driv.html

Go, you Killer Hamster! Roll on that wheel! Roll! Roll!

[joe90]

I know what mendacity means that's why I use it,
and I know you aren't who or what you say you are -
- if you don't care what people such as DrM says then why do you kep replying to them?

How many solicitors mention characters out of naff unwatchable american programmes - life inside the the von muchausen household must be so intersting - as well as the rest of the purile rubbish you are full of?

A simple answer as to what professional solicitors body you are accredited with as a paid up professional member, that would suffice but it seems beyond you -

- I wonder what unfunny character you are going to turn up next as, the real von munchausen maybe, who knows or cares - the little tabloid disc jockey ending is quite you, completely meaningless and unfunny

[joe90]

Here is the info I asked martin von munchuasen for,
which he absolutely refused point-blank to give me, prefering instead to indulge in playground childish rubbish such as hamsters, children's tv programmes, silly dj voices as well as endlessly repeating himself. The bold highlights are my own -

http://www.lawscot.org.uk/Members_Information/rules_and_guidance/guides/Rules/Codeconduct/codeofconduct.aspx>The Law Society of Scotland
Code of Conduct for Scottish Solicitors 2002

[start of excerpt]

Premable

7.Trust and personal integrity
Solicitors must act honestly at all times and in such a way as to put their personal integrity beyond question.

Solicitors’ actions and personal behaviour must be consistent with the need for mutual trust and confidence among clients, the courts, the public and fellow lawyers. For example, solicitors must observe the Accounts Rules which govern the manner in which clients’ funds may be held by solicitors and which are designed to ensure that clients’ monies are safeguarded. Solicitors who are dishonest in a matter not directly affecting their clients are nonetheless guilty of professional misconduct.

[end of excerpt]

And here is the legal database for Scotland and the UK listing solicitors, practices, student solicitors etc
http://legal-directory.net/solicitors-scotland/scottish-solicitors-c.htm>Legal-Directory.net - UK Legal services

If memory serves me,
martin von munchausen claimed he was a 'small claims' solicitor, now he's claiming he's visited every prison in Scotland - I wouldn't doubt it for a minute. Most bnp 'activists' (ie racists) have such details on their cv, as a matter of course, the more the merrier in fact.

If von munchausen is a solicitor, then he might be visiting this shortly -
http://www.ssdt.org.uk/rules/index.asp>Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal
if not, he might be visiting the prisons he seems so familiar with - when he'll have plenty of time to practice all those transparant disguises he wears and all those unfunny voices he's embarrassingly addicted to.

[Abu Sinan]

The net is full of people who make crazy claims. The man is probably not qualified to clean toilets.

One thing I have learned is that people who openly brag and make claims on line are usually liars.

[Martin]

"The net is full of people who make crazy claims."

I quite agree. See for example -

http://www.osamasaeed.org/

"The man is probably not qualified to clean toilets."

O, scratch your eyes out!

"One thing I have learned is that people who openly brag and make claims on line are usually liars." -

Excuse me, O Abu Sinan, only blogger I have ever come across who links to both Juan Cole and Crossmaglen Rangers, JoJo90 is so thick, so thick, that he persists in these constant assertions concerning my status, sanity and probity when the answers to the lies - yes, Joe, lies - that both he and DrM persist in telling about me are contained in the Comments section of the undernoted post -

http://www.osamasaeed.org/osama/2006/11/jack_straw_driv.html

Read that. Then continue back Joe up.

If he doesn't like being made a fool of, he shouldn't say foolish things.

[joe90]

change the record martin von munchausen

Nobody I know is scared of making a fool of themselves, or otherwise, as long as they are honest, genuine and truthful nobody has anything to be scared - that's how adults behave in the adult world -
- being frightened of your peers is something adults tend to leave behind them in the school playground.

I couldn't care less whether I make a fool of myself in your eyes - that doesn't frighten me in the slightest - why you think this is so I can't imagine, because its certainly nothing I've said.

What is it I am saying that is foolish, or is that a secret too, contained in previous comments?

What's wrong with re-stating your previous comments, which you hang so much importance on?
If these previous comments of yours are truly that important, then surely you should have no trouble re-iterating them. If you aren't going to re-state them, or tell us what they mean, then why not?

If I am telling lies and I am so thick then please correct my lies - after all I'm too thick to be able to do it by myself.

What seems to be stopping you, if you believe this stae of affairs to be true, then surely it shouldn't be a problem to come straight out and tell me what the truth is?

so please mr unfunny voices and purile disc jockey man,
correct our faults for us mere un-solicitor-like mortals - tell us what the truth is, as we seem to be incapable of even being able to distinguish it (according to you) from the rest of your bilge

[DrM]

Great posts, Joe. I'm still waiting for marty to smash my door in with his plastic sheriff's badge. I wonder what other fields he has mastered given the amount of time he spends online.

[joe90]

Thanks DrM,
I appreciate your comments very much.

I appreciate blogs and bloggers such as Osama and his 'Rolled-up Trews',
as well as Abu Sinans (whose latest post is an image, from his huge personal archive, of Loch Katrine looking west),
and especially most of the great people who comment on them - really wonderful folk -
- which is why I like to try and add something of note that others may not find elsewhere, etc
especially to add my voice, and help people under racist attack and abuse by western powers that be, but especially by my own nausiating British government.

New Labour and Tony Blair are beyond the pale!

All the best DrM!

ps
even today, I had a quick look at the front page of my local newspaper, and a local NHS health clinic services are being put out to private tender! Absolutely indescribable!

Scottish Power and Scottish Gas (former publicly-owned utilities) have recently put up prices, yet their profits remain at astronomical highs - and some people in Scotland can't afford to keep their homes heated properly

same with banks,
who are using their customers accounts as private buisness assets, using them to line their own pockets with astronomical profits

same with student debt and student loans

everywhere you look its the same story -
- huge personal debt and artificial costs just so people can maintain a decent standard of living, or to get an education etc
- but vast corporate wealth, and its growing too
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1165420831.html>World's richest 1% own 40% of all wealth, UN report discovers

[Abu Sinan]

Martin,

I know many lawyers, I deal with them on a daily basis. You don't have the minerals son!

No lawyer I know, or have known, would make such claims as you have done on-line and then fail to back them up. If you are a registered member of any legal association please provide a link to which one and lets go from there.

Better yet, provide us with your name and your law school and we'll simply call the registrars office to check your bonafides.

As to Crossmaglen Rangers and Juan Cole, I fail to see how my interest in the Gaelic Football team in South Armagh has anything to do with the Middle East expert, Juan Cole.

You are grasping at straws son.

[Abu Sinan]

Martin,

LOL! You shouldn't have asked me to read the previous comments.

I read the beginning of an article you wrote that went:

"I’m not a tall person, only 5’7”, and a slim 12 stone. However, what I lack in height I make up in width across the shoulders, and I’m as solid as a tank. For all that I can take care of myself I loathe confrontation, and will run a mile to avoid it. "

I sat here laughing! You are a real laugh Martin. Yes, a real tough guy in a Napoleon disguise!

I cannot say I have ever heard of the Washington Dispatch, but with the quality of writers like yourself, I am not missing much.

It would seem with all of the legal training you have you never took any writing classes.

I think you shouldnt call yourself Martin anymore! With your intimidating build of a "tank", we should call you Vinny Jones!

You are a right 'ard man you are! But hey, if you are going to do a Vinny Jones imitation don't you know it was Gaza's bollox he had in his hand, not his own?

[Martin]

Abu,

Ah sure now Da, I think I'm dealing with an aggressive Ulsterman here!

Dead on!

University of Strathclyde 1987-91 (LL.B. 1990 - Diploma in Legal Practice 1991)

Admitted Solictor in Scotland 1992 (I think it was September 3 - can't be bothered digging out my Act and Admission; and no that's not a typing error), name fell from roll October 31 1999.

If you want to check whether a Martin Kelly held a practicing certificate for the 1997-98 practice year, call the Law Society of Scotland's Records Department on 0131 226 7411 - I still keep the ID card that they issued to me for the 1996-97 practice year in my wallet; its reference number is 9200009928. The signature on the back is that of the LSS's then secretary, Kenneth W. Pritchard.

He was always a very civil chap when I appeared in front of him when he was sitting as a temporary sheriif.

Think I'm no longer a solicitor because of dodgy business? Think again. Look at this -
http://www.ssdt.org.uk/

It's the Scottish Solicitors' Discipline Tribunal's website - you won't find my name on it anywhere.

Here, Joe & DrM - you might be interested in knowing this.

The article that Abu O'Sinan has quoted from is called 'A Nasty Brush With The Anti-War Left' - its original URL is

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_7108.shtml

It contains the following phrase,

"The most divisive political movement in the UK is the British National Party (BNP). A sub-Klan collection of rednecks dedicated to race baiting and immigration control, they are the blue rags to the bull of the Anti-War Left. They use as their symbol the Union Jack, debasing the national flag in a way that would be unthinkable in the United States."

Fancy that! Still think I support racial assault or the BNP?

But what Abu O' Sinan missed in the version that he read is that it contained a MISTAKE!

The version that he read can now only be found here -

http://martinkellytwdarchive.blogspot.com/2006/03/nasty-brush-with-anti-war-left.html

That version you will see is headed,

"(June 2 2006 - I received an e-mail this morning from David Torrance, advising me that the gentleman in question was his twin brother. I am more than happy to correct the error, and my apologies to ther Torrances for any offence or confusion caused)."

What Abu O'Sinan seems to have done is cherrypick the only article in my archives in which I've acknowledged an error - and then failed to mention it!

And he must have had to go looking for it, because 'Blogger's' limitations means that he had to go into the archive and select an article dated November 12 2003 out of a series of approx 100 articles dated between September 8 2002 and May 21 2004.

Not even got the minerals for a smear, that lad.

And even though I say so myself, that's a hell of a lot of bad articles from a website he's never heard of to have to sit through before he thinks he can find something to hit me with...either he's got a lot of time on his hands (in which case he wouldn't be dealing with solicitors all the time) or else they can't have been all bad...

Abu O' Sinan, son, take your bad Ulster attitude, your worse smear jobs and your hurley/camogie/carcass back over the water to the Six Counties.

[Martin]

And Abu O Abu, Star of the County Down, I graduated on November 2 1990.

Strathclyde's memory might need jogging.

Peace be with you.

[joe90]

Strathclyde's memory might need jogging.
- I bet it does von munchausen

so what is a von munchausen identity stealer like you, doing washed up, with your own boring racist blog, prattling on about children's pets and childrens tv programmes imitating silly disc jockey voices, pretending your somebody you're not?

go on mr angry racist, bore me to tears

who gives up a lucrative career as a solictor after a year?

- couldn't hack it,
so von munchausen thought he'd waste his time spouting inane boring racist drivel on the internet in funny voices - how original, never a dull moment in the von munchausen household I expect, especially now he's more time on his hands since the legal profession kicked him out, sorry he fell ill -

[ainelivia]

Gayjihadi wrote: "The Telegraph article comes on the back of another Telegraph rant by a Jew (Janet Daley) who wrote about the threat from Muslims."

SO! Does being Jewish render this particular journalist incapable of doing her job? What relevance does her faith have on her job?

Why have you mentioned this?

If you have a problem with a journalist's work, criticise that. Not her faith.

"There's a whole load of Jewish writers out there who have an animus against Muslims, and this is because of their allegiance to Israel."

Let's just turn this last quote around a look at it. How much projection does that paragraph contain. Projection by it's author that is?

"There is a load of Muslim writers out there who have animus against Jews, and this is because of their allegiance to anything anti-Israel."

Oh and by the way, one does not have "animus against", go back to Jung please.

[ainelivia]

Joe90, Do you have a blog?

[ainelivia]

Yusuf Smith wrote "from a well-known group of modernist Uncle Toms and from Iranian communists."

In our present world, what do you categorise as "Uncle Toms"?

What's wrong with Iranian Communists?

You suggest that these people's views and opinions are worthless because of "your categorisations".

I wasn't aware that you had published a thesis or such on the subject of these particular categorisations, so your words here are about as valuable as the kind of verbiage from certain newspapers. the ones that are being so criticised here perhaps.

[ainelivia]

DRM wrote "What are blithering about Marty? You get shot every time you post your racist drivel."

"Racist drivel", And you would know about racist drivel, since you've written some of it here.

[ainelivia]

Joe90, what, if any, is your personal Code of Ethics? Do you have one?

[ainelivia]

Joe90 and just before I get back to real life and leave you to slug it out.

What exactly is your present medical condition, Munchausen's Syndrome By Proxy perchance...........?

[Abu Sinan]

Martin-"I think I'm dealing with an aggressive Ulsterman here!"

Hah! Hah! Everytime you think Martin, you get it wrong!

Ulsterman? Not bloody likely! I am a German born American citizen. Both my parents were in the military, that is why I was born in Germany, but that is okay, I am of German ancestry.

I wont easily fit into any of your ignorant stereotypes.

I lived in Germany, England, Ireland, and the USA, with extended stays in Scotland, The Persian Gulf, North Africa, you name it.

It was a mistake for you to miss "Thinking 101" at the Uni, the ill-effects of missing that class are certainly showing up now.

Thanks for the laughs Marty.

You are dismissed.

[ainelivia]

Martin, Abu Sinan. Why don't you leave Ireland, North or South out of your schoolboy schoolyard discussions. Ireland doesn't need to be drawn into your insult hurling. We've had enough problems and as neither of you did anything to help sort it, get off.

For two reasonably intelligent, and educated and well travelled humans you behave like a pair of "rythmn sticks"

[Abu Sinan]

Aine,

Why not be honest? I didnt bring Ireland into this, Martin did. Please read the above comments.

He is the one who mentioned Crossmaglen, he is the one who tried to call me an Ulsterman.

I only responded to his nonsense.

If someone calls you a tart and you respond, should I then attack you for your response?

I didnt think so.

[ainelivia]

And in responding to it you perpetuate it.

What connection is there exactly between you, Martin and Ireland?

If I was a little more sensitive about my country being used as the butt of jokes, (as was quite common in the past, both about the density of our brain space and our religion) I should by now be standing with a banner threatening violence, outside some building, where I would get maximum publicity for my actions. But my irritation at the idiocy that you both display is tempered by the knowledge that when you both decide to grow up, there will be hope for the world.

You are an adult, as is Martin; it behoves both of you to behave with a little respect for each other, and if you cannot do that, then do not draw my country into your argument. Now grow up.

And that is addressed to you also Martin.

[Abu Sinan]

Once again Aine, you act as if my self-defense is somehow wrong. Please again look above and see who brought Ireland into the issue.

It was not me, I was simply responding to an attack. If you cannot see that then I dont know what else to say. Once again, if someone called YOU tart, would your response make you equals?