Anti-racists need to wake up

We’ve had New Labour, the New Conservatives and now we have New BNP.

The country’s Nazis have apparently transformed themselves. Chairman Nick Griffin said in his recent retrial that the party could no longer be described as racist.

This is principally because they’ve moved on from racist abuse to attacks based on the religion and customs of their victims. Islam has become their fig-leaf for attacking minorities. Islamophobic blogs agree this means that the party is now post-racist.

Personally, I can’t see how labelling a group of people as “coakroaches” and saying “show these ethnics the door in 2004” isn’t construed as inciting hatred, but that’s me. That was Nick Griffin’s colleague Mark Collett, speaking at the same meeting where the BNP leader made his infamous “wicked, vicious” description of Islam.

Much has been made of these words, but taking the words alone, I’ve got no problem with people criticising Islam. I don’t agree with it, but am always up for the debate. What is important is not what people say in itself, but why they say it. In the same speech, Griffin cited the paedophile drug rapes that had taken place recently in Keighley and claimed that the “good book” of the Muslims had sanctioned it.

Now tell me, if someone told you that Group X was going to coming to rape your daughters, would it inspire anything other than loathing in you for Group X? If Griffin had been speaking about a handful of criminals in gangs then either he was on the money and these people should be arrested, or it was a libellous and slanderous. When he paints an entire community this way, he is inciting hatred.

If legislation has a loophole where talking about people of colour in this way is unacceptable, but talking about people of different faith like this is in the bounds, then I agree, legislation needs to be looked at. Existing laws have not stopped anyone criticising the culture or practices of ethnic groups (e.g. don’t like reggae music, can’t stand Chinese food), and I’m sure a team of sharp legal minds can ensure the requisite safeguards for similar freedom in speech when it comes to inciting hatred against religious groupings. Remember Jews and Sikhs have been covered by race hate legislation for decades and it hasn't brought free speech down.

This is vital as the BNP’s move into religion has been mirrored in society as a whole. As I was growing up the principal taunts I would receive would be of “Paki”, “wog” and other such racial abuse. In the new millennium this has turned into “Bin Laden” and “terrorist”.

They say sticks and stones and all that, but how people express themselves is indicative of a more deep malaise. To some extent, anti-racists have declared the war on overt racism as won. Most equality work in this area in recent years has been concentrated on making sure that structures are right in tackling more institutional forms of racism.

Meanwhile, the bigots have moved on. In the last few weeks, Falkirk Mosque was deliberately set ablaze and a Glasgow imam was beaten up in his own mosque.

Mosques around the country have been targets, but I’m not as worried about damage to buildings as I am about human toll. Muslim women identifiable by headscarves are hit particularly hard, while Islamophobia is a cruel phenomenon at schools. We heard that an eight year old was recently beaten up after thugs had verified he was a legitimate target – “Are you a Muslim?”.

In Glasgow last year a man was beaten up to such an extent that is seemed like the gang that attacked him were trying to scalpel his face off. They were shouting “terrorist”.

Prominent Jews have written on the parallels between attacks on Muslims now and anti-Semitism before the Holocaust. Attacks in the media are regularly directed at Muslims that would be unacceptable on any other group.  Newspaper columnist Jonathan Freedland recently wrote that if the recent attacks on Muslims had been about Jews, then not only would he be deeply alarmed, he would be reaching for his passport.

Which is exactly what Muslims have been doing. A Guardian poll found last year that two-thirds of Muslims were considering their future in this country. Anecdotally, I can confirm there is a thinking amongst Muslims that while matters have not reached a tipping point yet, this will come in just a few years time if current trends continue.

Too many antiracists have been found to be silent in recent weeks and months. It’s vital that they also move with the times, and recognise that attacks on people because of their faith are as unacceptable as attacks because of race. Some organisations like the 1990 Trust and Liberty have done exactly this. The TUC in England and Wales have made excellent statements. Too many others though have been AWOL.

We have to hold fast to the principle that everyone has the right to live their lives as they please as long as they don’t infringe the rights of others. This enriches us all, but has been all too quickly forgotten recently.

Comments

[Abu Sinan]

Aine, if you are talking about the recent killing of a government minister in Lebanon, then I must inform you that the man's enemies were legion and he hails from a family which founded the Lebanese facist party known as the Phalangists, after his grandfather visited Nazi Germany and was very impressed.

The militia this group had was notorious for murdering Sunnis, Shi'a and other Christians during the Lebanese civil war.

The man himself made a lot of enemies because of his own big mouth. Like the statement he made refering to the population of Christians in Lebanon where he said it was "quality, not quantity that counted". This was a clear statement of a typical belief by the facist Phalangists of the genetic superiority of Christians in Lebanon over their fellow citizens.

Many, many people wanted to kill this man. Syria, on the other hand, like Hizb'Allah, had the most to loose by such an action.

Sorry, but I have little sympathy when such racists and facists are killed.

[Abu Sinan]

John,

Your attempts to link Islam to the poor performance of some from traditional Muslim countries is a bit short sighted, and might I add, ignorant.

You need to understand that Muslims in India, in particular, are have less access and are less likely to be educated than their Hindu co-citizens. This is fact.

The education of parents, or lack there of, has a massive effect on children and their futures. You could ask why the youth of Brixton are not doing as well as the youth of St John's Wood. Would that be a fair question? That is, in effect, what you are asking here.

A lot of it also depends on from where and what classes immigrants come from. Your attempt to link Islam and performance fails miserably when held up to the light of day.

Here in the USA, Muslim immigrants are more wealthy than the average American, with annual income being thousands of dollars more a year than their co-citizens. Muslim-Americans are more educated than their co-citizens, by large percentages.

So it is clear that the link between performance and religion is a non starter, so it is common sense to look for other reasons for the disparity.

[RandomGuy]

Al wrote: "So I am not entitled to a knee-jerk reaction now and then.... I am after all only human or at least as far as I know. There may be some who consider me 'Other' "

...you just don`t get it do you? Anyway, thanks for your tacit agreement that your comment was a 'knee-jerk' one.

AL wrote: "Your view seems to believe that any reprecussions of the present state of the world affect only a section of the population. And I am saying that is not so."

Sorry, I never said that. If however, you are implying that repercussions of the present state of the world affect all sections of the population homogenously, then you are so far beyond mistaken that it could be classified as fantasy. I think it is fairly obvious that the effects are definitely unevenly distributed across communities.

AL wrote: "Or is it that living in a "rich western country" leaves us devoid of feelings, and therefore undeserving of any understanding and compassion."

Huh? Which part of the world is getting bombed daily and destroyed because of these rich, western countries? If this part of the world deserves compassion, what does the other part deserve? The balance is completely out of place.

AL wrote: "It is not the "people" of this country who went to war, it is our government."

Similarly, it is not the Muslims that you and John like to lump together as the 'mediocre' (reprehensible if you ask me) that blew people up on their way to work, but a group of individuals.

AL wrote: "I was brought up in a country where your words are a reflection of who you are."

I was brought up in a country where you thought before you acted.

Wrt your husband who is South Asian (is he Muslim too?) and your 'despairing' muslim friends, I could similiarly pull out my credentials and point you to my 'Other' friends (joke!) who share my point of view. Just because you can construct a point of view you share with a group of other people, does not necessarily give any credence to it. But thats the way the world works unfortunately, isn't it?

Oh, and as you and John concur so nicely, please be forthcoming with some solid proof (in the form of links or other references) which conclusively prove your point of view.

[joe90]

RandomGuy
I'm afraid you have met your nemisis - meet RandomWoman!

Read back on anything this Al has written and if it isn't scatalogical, random, pointless verbage then I'll take this all back!

All the best RG and to your good self as well Abu Sinan !

ps
By the way A-S -
the Celts tanked Man U 1-0 last night!

The current leaders of the Scottish Premier League horsed the current leaders of the English Premiership - in spite of the fact the referee was a Spanish mason who awarded Man U an outrageous penalty decision in the last couple of minutes of the game in order to try and prevent the Celts from winning -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6160910.stm>Celtic 1-0 Man Utd
By Colin Moffat

The Celts go marching on to the last 16 of the European Champions League!

[Abu Sinan]

Good news Joe! God-Willing, when my boys hit about aged 5-6 I will bring them to Paradise to check out a match.

I miss driving up on Saturdays and miss the craic after the games.

[Ted]

Jesus, it would give you the boak.

'The craic' - that'll be songs about the IRA and Orange bastards, presumably.

[Ted]

I wonder if this love-in explains why the Roman Catholic bigot, Sean Gallagher, invaded Ibrox Stadium to disrupt a Rangers match when some Israelis played there rather than Celtic Park at any time when one Israeli, Eyal Berkovic, played there from 1999 to 2001?

Embdy know?

[Osama]

Abu Sinan, you must look me up if you're ever coming to town (even if you are a Celtic fan).

Muchos congatulations on yesterday's result to you, Joe90, and my other Celtic supporting friends nonetheless (there, said it).

[Abu Sinan]

Insha'Allah Osama. I am afraid I am new to this blog. Came here via a link from Joe. You live Glasgow? Which footie team do you support?

[Abu Sinan]

Ted: "The craic' - that'll be songs about the IRA and Orange bastards, presumably."

Ah, now, dont go getting the hump. We'll sing some about the IDF bastards for you as well.

[John Palubiski]

Here in the USA, Muslim immigrants are more wealthy than the average American, with annual income being thousands of dollars more a year than their co-citizens. Muslim-Americans are more educated than their co-citizens, by large percentages.

My comments, Abu Sinan, were about Britian's Muslim community.

I know full well that American Muslims enjoy higher levels of education.... they tend to come from wealthier families and thus have an edge. It should be noted that Islam in America goes back to the late 19th century and that these long established Muslim communities are quite secular.

Which makes one wonder; what ever happened to the argument that 911, 311 and 7/7 had their root causes in poverty?

Randonguy: Similarly, it is not the Muslims that you and John like to lump together as the 'mediocre' (reprehensible if you ask me) that blew people up on their way to work, but a group of individuals.

A group of individuals?

Well, that clears a lot up, doesn't it?

One finds "groups of individuals" on ski slopes because they're a group who like to ski.

One also finds "groups of individuals" in old age homes because they're old, and one finds "groups of individuals" in bowling alleys becase as a group they enjoy bowling.

People who "group" together do so because they've all something in common.

What united the "groups of individuals" who committed 911, 311 and 7/7, Randomguy?? Interest in Prada footwear? Antique cars? Can you hazard a guess as to their motivation? What interest did they all have in common?

Could it have something to do with a perverse, inaccurate, "cherry-picker" approach to sacred texts?

Naw! It's probably the Pradas.....

Or perhaps "groupism"

[Abu Sinan]

John: "It should be noted that Islam in America goes back to the late 19th century and that these long established Muslim communities are quite secular."

Really? Being a part of the Americn Muslim community myself, I would be interested in which community you are talking about? The only overwhelming secular Muslim community here in the USA is the Iranians, most of them being the elite related to the Shah and his government.

John "Which makes one wonder; what ever happened to the argument that 911, 311 and 7/7 had their root causes in poverty?"

Not an argument I have ever bought myself. I have always thought of Islamic terrorism as part of a movement where people without armies, without political clout, seek to strike out against people and governments to try and affect a political change.

In this manner Islam is not much more than a tribal marker. Keep in mind that the first suicide bomber in Lebanon, who incidently targeted Western interests, was a female Christian. Most Palestinian groups, until the 1980s, were secular, or even rabid lefits. That is until Israel helped form Hamas as a counter-weight to the secular/leftists PLO. That was a huge own goal eh?

John "What united the "groups of individuals" who committed 911, 311 and 7/7, Randomguy?? Interest in Prada footwear? Antique cars? Can you hazard a guess as to their motivation? What interest did they all have in common?"

They all hated American and British foreign policy, that is what. They have done studies that have shown that many suicide bombers were not really religious, in the case of Lebanon and Iraq(Kurdistan) they were Christians, secular, and leftist(some athiests).

In Sri Lanka they are Hindu. The Tamil Tigers, before Iraq, were the most prolific suicide bombers in the world. The various Kurdish groups, some now supported by the US and UK, were well known for their suicide bombers, especially women. They are, by in large, secular, leftist, even communist.

The only thing these all have in common are a belief that their political goals cam be further by these actions even when they have no armies and no political clout.

John "Could it have something to do with a perverse, inaccurate, "cherry-picker" approach to sacred texts?"

I think you are trying to hard to pin the idea of suicide bombing to Islam. When approaching the issue on a historical level, your theory doesnt hold water. Unless of course you can successfully argue that Hindus, secularists, Christians, communists and Islamists all share a single sacred text.

Suicide bombing is, at its very root, a method where the powerless attempt to use their lives to move powers towards their own political goals.

Islamism is a think veneer for those with secular views and goals. If you look at Islamists, they may talk vaguely about a Caliphate, but all of their goals are political in nature.

Trust me, if groups like al-Queda sold their struggle on forcing the whole world to accept Islam they would have about a dozen followers.

But when they tack that stuff onto real political issues like Palestine, US/UK support for murderous dictators at home, it finds an audience.

[RandomGuy]

Thank you Abu Sinan for answering the obvious question posed by John.

[ainelivia]

Guy Random, you appear not to get it either. All of us are experiencing the repercussions of all of the things that have been done by governments, not necessarily in our names or by our mandate.

Equally, Muslims are experiencing the repercussions of all those things that have been done both by governments and militants not necessarily in their name, or by their mandate.

I'll be very interested to see "Occupation 101" the documentary by the Omeish brothers. And the follow up where they plan to look at the way in which leaders and others in Muslim countries (especially in the region) perpetuate the condition of the Palestinians for their own ends.

This is not one group superior morally and otherwise to another. And that is my belief, that Muslim countries are as guilty as the US and the UK, in fact they are equally complict in the continuance of these "wars".

But I see and hear no understanding of that here. It is one good the other bad. In basic psychology that is the thinking and emotional process of the child, or the adult that has not become aware of the process of their own feelings, actions and emotions, and the consequences thereof. Thus are we easy prey to the those who seek to manipulate those emotions for their own ends. Which means that I don't see one good and one bad. They are all a bunch of sh***s, with nothing better to do than start and perpetuate wars for personal gain, power. Bush, Ahmedinahajad, etc, etc, to me they are one and the same.

[ainelivia]

Why do I need links to prove what I say? I am not a Holy Book? I am a human who speaks out of experience.

Oh and I have experience, personal experience of jihad.

I refer you to an event in history referred to nowadays as the 13th May (1969) Incident. Wiki it, and then find John Slimmings - Death of a Democracy.

And discover for yourself, that jihad is often an excuse; ethnic group in Muslim country wins election, majority don't like it, so they declare jihad, attempt a minor ethnic cleansing, and then award themselves "advantages" that still continue to this day, and disadvantage the ethnic minorities in that country.

's all there in black and white. Slimming's is the better view. And discover for yoursel that no great noble principle drove particular jihad. All about political and economic power.

Which is what it is all about now, either way.

[joe90]

John Palubiski,
Britain is a democratic pluralist society and we here believe in the principal that people should be held accountable for their own crimes rather than the crimes of others

We don't believe in collective punishment here in the UK -
ie these bombers were ALL Muslims but Islam has nothing to do with their crimes, their is no excuse
the fact that Islam has nothing to do with their crimes, a crime has no excuses

ie these bombers were all men so lets punish all men
the fact that these were ALL male bombers has nothing to do with their crimes either

Why do you hate liberal democracy and freedom from so much, and peoples rights to be protected as individuals from state interference ?

Why do you believe people should be held accountable for crimes they haven't committed?

If you do believe in collective punishment then surely you can't complain if any of your friends and family are punished, in some way, for crimes committed by George Blair and Tony Bush ?
I am absolutely certain some kind of connection can be found between these two western fundamentalist jihadi mass-murdering fanatics and you, or your familay and friends, in order to justify holding you responsible for their crimes and therefore justify violating your human rights. In fact there is one - you are one of their brainwashed ideological followers.

As for Ally Cheeda,
the western crimes bin Laden objected to were all matters of fact -
1 - the evil US-UK snactions regime against Iraq which resulted in the premature deaths of at least 500,000 Iraqi children and about the same number of adults (although I have seen the adult total deaths as high as 1.5 million)
2- the evil illegal racist occupation of Palestinians by Apartheid Israel
3 - American toops based in Saudi Arabia

Regardless of the importance of these facts they are still indistputable true.

The same cannot be said for the lies and propaganda that Bush-Blair used to justify their illegal unprovoked attack invasion and occupation of afghanisatn and Iraq, which has led to 100s of 1000s of deaths. A pack of lies from a pack of mass-murdering racist liars.

Football
Anyway,
I was trying to post this messege for Osama before I got side tracked by the 'pluralist' who doesn't practice what he preaches ----

There is nothing I love more than to see Scottish teams do well in Europe Osama -
- last year's European campaign by the Gers was unbelievable and it looks like they may be about to repeat it, hopefully.

Things these days are no where near as bad as they used to be between both sets of fans and both communities -
- I never thought I would ever see the day a Catholic would captian Rangers, and now notions like that seem like ancient history. Even thinking in terms of 'both communities' seems so alien these days.

And anyway, it was that fact that a Scottish team humped the best that the English had to offer is what I enjoyed most.

The faces on these arrogant condescending English imperialist TV football bigots, sorry, pundits, whenever their teams get beat is always something to look forward to and savour. After all, football is one of the very few remaining human activities these days where it is perfectly safe and socially acceptable to derive pleasure and enjoyment from other people's suffering and pain. Brilliant!

All the best Osama,
and I'm looking forward to watching the Gers tomorrow!

ps
I'm not that big a Celtic fan - I don't follow football that much except if there is a good game on the box -I love Scotland though!

pps
Abu Sinan,
I did hear an ugly rumour spread about by
http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/>Jews sans Frontier
that Osama was a season ticket holder at Castle Greyskull !

[joe90]

[ERRATUM - The second paragraph above should read as follows]

We don't believe in collective punishment, here in the UK -
ie these bombers were ALL Muslims but Islam has nothing to do with their crimes, their is no excuse for what they did

[I have been having a few modem - telephone line problems]

[John Palubiski]

I have always thought of Islamic terrorism as part of a movement where people without armies, without political clout, seek to strike out against people and governments to try and affect a political change

My! My! How romantic! People *without armies*, without political clout striking out against people and gov'ts to try and "affect" change. Sounds just like a leftist intiative aimed at improving the local recycling programme!

Nothing more, as anodine as that.

In my opinion, Islamic terrorists destroying innocent lives are scumbags. You'd actually achieve something, Abu, by denouncing them rather than romanticising their abject perversity.

And the proper term is EFFECT change.

Christian suicide bombers....no such animal, Abu. Please, try passing that one off on someone who's just fallen off the turnip truck, will ya? A few hindus, as in the case of Rajiv Ghandi's assasination, but ALL the rest are Muslim.

And shame on them, because far from being an Abrahamic reaction, sucidie bombings are merely a throwback to old pagan human sacrifices. Once again we see attempts to disimulate, to hide these atrocities in the undergrowth of other faiths. "We all do it, tee-hee" goes the argument.

No we all DON'T.

News flash, Abu, the WHOLE world sees that this emperor has no clothes, that the Islamic world's exports, apart from oil, are largely composed of psychopathic murderers. Everytime some jackass blows himself and a dozen others up, the negative image of Islam is reinforced even further.

It generates Islamophobia.

And Abu, the first step in fixing the islamic world's problemes....and suicide bombers are just ONE of those problemes....is to face up to it and to admit the probleme exists.

The only thing these all have in common are a belief that their political goals cam be further by these actions even when they have NO armies and NO political clout.

Once again, the theme of impotence rears its head.

Why is the Islamic world devoid of armies and political clout? Maintaining a standing army requires first and foremost an iron discipline. If the muslim world's armies lack rigour, discipline and organisation, then that's not the fault of anyone but Muslims themsleves.

Maintaining political clout involves much the same human qualities; here again discipline, rigour and good organisational skills are the key.

Those qualities CANNOT be obtained through suicide bombings because suicide bombings are the temper-tantrum of the impotent, adult male.

So they are NOT heroic "truth-to-power" gestures, instead they are merely the purvey of the classic loser, those consumed by utter frustaration.

[joe90]

temper-tantrum of the impotent, adult male
- the perfect description of the palubiskis of this world

I am sure if the US gave Occupied Palestinians the same military hardware they give to the racist war criminals of Israel, then the Palestinian Resistence Movement would be more than happy to use it

If you don't like terrorism so much then why do you support its cause, western war crimes?

Maintaining a standing army requires first and foremost an iron discipline
- I had an inkling palunski was Prussian -

Maintaining an army doesn't require "iron discipline", but a sober state fiscal budget in order to set aside resources and wealth and taxes appropriate to the state's military needs, nothing more

discipline, rigour and good organisational skills are the key.
- this is my favourite
as paluski doesn't display any of these qualities.

Care to tell me why you hate western democracy and freedom so much?

[Abu Sinan]

John,

I guess you havent read much about suicide bombing have you? If you had you wouldnt make such an ignorant statement about there being no such thing as Christian suicide bombers or that Hindu suicide bombers were just a few. Before the 2003 Iraq debacle, the Hindu Tamil Tigers led the world in suicide bombings.

I suggest you read Robet Pape's diffinitive book on suicide bombing where he studied every known suicide bombing of the 20 th century and came to some valid, emperical conclusions.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400063175/qid=1121342484/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/202-5729075-4919846

He indeed documents that the first suicide bomber in Lebanon was a female, CHRISTIAN, school teacher.

Page 89 pf his book documents that several suicide bombers were indeed Christian. Page 130 notes that three of the suicide bombers in Lebanon in the 1980s were Christian. Only 8 were Islamists, 27 were secular or communist.

Your ignorance and complete unwillingness to learn anything that does not fit into your preconcieved notions is scary!

[joe90]

Abu Sinan,
could you give me the title of that book by Robert Pape?

I notice he has written two on the same subject with nearly the same names - I was wondering which of the two you recommend?

Osama's blog doesn't properly format unadorned links, you have to tagged them up to work properly.

ps
It looks like England is heading for independence
http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/75125.html>Poll shows SNP would oust Labour
by
Douglas Fraser
The (Glasgow) Herald
23 Nov 2006

[Abu Sinan]

The book is called "Dying to Win" and it is a great book. It completely debunks the crap put out by people like John. It is the most comprehensive study of suicide bombing done to date, taking into account every known suicide bombing from the 1980s and 1990s.

[George Carty]

Why is the Islamic world devoid of armies and political clout?

It seems like the Arab world in particular has horrible problems with a lack of political legitimacy. Most Arab states are ruled by puppets of foreign powers, or by tyrants who won power by naked force.

Saddam Hussein, for example, was so terrified of a coup against him that he murdered all his best generals during the war with Iran!

I wonder if many Muslims view legitimacy in terms of the Caliphate, such that it is almost impossible for Muslims in a world sans caliphate to form states to which the ordinary people will be genuinely loyal.

Of course there is also another big problem, namely oil and the "rentier states" that stem from it...

[ainelivia]

Joe90wrote

"temper-tantrum of the impotent, adult male
- the perfect description of the palubiskis of this world"

Actually Joe, it is a description of the adult male. Now I'm not siding with anyone on this, but which are you? The Adult? Or the Male? Or the temper-tantrum? Or impotent?

Judge not, that ye shall not be judged eh?

An while I'm here, did you really say "we in the UK" because judging by some of your comments on many posts over the months now, I don't think you are in any position to speak for the UK. And if you are, I need to worry.

[anna]

May I accuse muslims of inconsistency and one-sidedness also in terms of 'racists' as the Qur'an is full of racisme, discrimination, and intolerance?

That's O.K. but not the racisme of others?

Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger.”

Tabari II:11 “..... Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.”

Bukhari: V9B89N256 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘You should listen to and obey your ruler even [!] if he is a black African slave whose head looks like a raisin.’”

Ishaq:243 "I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom."

[9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'"

Ishaq:450 “.... We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent."

??????