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Abu Sahajj
"Until only a few months ago, mainstream British politicians were extremely cautious about articulating the fears and resentments felt by many ordinary people on the subject of mass immigration."
Unfortunately, the empathy that is being shown to public fears by British Politics is being applied with little discretion concerning civil liberties, unless by definition civil liberty suprecedes and lawfully disregards the individual as in matters of public interest.

But that raises an even bigger question, because if that is the case (at least with respect to civil rights) how is British politics different from the oligarchy of the Thirty Tyrants that ruled Athens after the Peloponnesian War? I find it ironic that those very tyrrants deemed themselves democrats, the original proponents of Democracy!

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Given Oborne's numerous links to the Tory party, maybe he ought to do his bit and perhaps persuade David Davis from sticking his oar in, rather than just complaining about Labour in a rather partisan way, as much as I agree with him.

Fred S.

Abu,
What "civil liberties" does Islam offer? Civilization has the right to defend itself against those who would destroy it from within.

What a fatuous article! Of course Jews and Anglicans aren't subjected to the same scrutiny a Muslims. They don't strap explosives to themselves and blow up their fellow citizens, foment race riots, demolish homes rented by British soldiers, commit a hugely disproportionate number of the nation's rape, etc. ad nauseam. If they did, then they would be.

I recall "moderate Islam". It told the gov't that Britain could fight terror by totally acquiescing to the political demands of the terrorists. I suspect the scum whose drivel I read on this site (Sadat springs to mind) are indicative of the tenor of "moderate Islam": totally supportive of the terrorists' means and ends but unwilling to take part themselves.

ainelivia

Interesting. A cycnical opportunity for one political view to hit out at another, more tit-for-tat journalism.

The sad part is just how much this leaves me despairing of any politician, elected or otherwise, lobbyists and political factions with their spin, hidden agendas etc, etc.

Personally, I'm more moved by the Fisk's efforts in the Independent 14.10.2006, entitled "Let me denounce genocide from the dock". Just how do we humans manage to keep repeating our inhumanity with unswerving devotion to denial.

ainelivia

"I find it ironic that those very tyrrants deemed themselves democrats, the original proponents of Democracy!"

You are in good company. So did Michels, german sociologist, his Iron Rule of Oligarchy mirrors you assertion.

joe90

They don't strap explosives to themselves and blow up their fellow citizens, foment race riots, demolish homes rented by British soldiers, commit a hugely disproportionate number of the nation's rape, etc. ad nauseam.

- apart from the usual obsession about people who strap explosives to themselves (altho you could say bomber pilots, tank crew etc 'strap themselves' into their exposives and weaponry paid for by taxpayers, £6.5 billion so fare for Iraq alone),
everything in the above statement is true of what serial Tony Blair, New Labour and the British Government are doing in Iraq with 100s of 1000s of innocent defenceless Iraqis murdered -
- the same goes for Israel's attacks on ALL of its neighbors, same is true for the US government the world over -

Still,
lets obsess over a few people strapping themselves to explosives which is about as rare as Tony Blair not telling a lie.

joe90

As New Labour attempts to steal the racist middle ground recently vacated by the Old Tories,
more news on the 'Explosion Trial', as the BBC are hailing the largest ever find of explosives and sundry terrorist material on mainland Britian.

Obviously, BNP-types with huge amounts of terrorist materials (in contrast to having Walter Mitty delusions and fantasies about committing terrorist atrocities) are just the sort of voters that war criminal and mass-murderer Tony Liar and his New Tory Party are trying to attract in the forthcoming election -
- hence the reason why they are only being charged under the Explosives Substances Act 1883, and not the Terrorism Acts of recent times -
- if you misuse fireworks, you can be charged under the old Exploives act, which doesn't have quite the same ring of importance about it, as say, being charged with terrorist offences.

The two charged with possessing explosives were due in Preston Crown Court on 24 October -
- I haven't heard any news about it.

I wish they wore veils, or were going to use baby-bottles and the like, then news of the trial wouldn't be off the BBC News or out of the British tabloids, radio - neighbours would be getting interviewd, shocked work-mates would be expressing disbelief, fellow party activists would be thin on the ground and living in denial etc etc - and I would know what was going on!

tc

Thanks for posting. I always feel it's better to assume stupidity before malice, but Oborne's argument is compelling.

Usayd

Oborne, while a Tory, has always been pro-faith. I don't think its fair to consider this electioneering or politiking, I believe his piece to be genuine.

DrM

Well said Joe, took the words out of my mouth.

Ted

"Still,
lets obsess over a few people strapping themselves to explosives"

Another brainless classic. The British Government should monitor British soldiers for fear they may commit crimes against British citizens rather than a section of the community that actually has!

Joe, are you married to your sister or summat?

joe90

Another brainless classic

Really, another one?

Remind me again of some others, such as -
- Judaism isn't a religion, its a race of humans
- and, Tony Blair isn't guilty of 'unprovoked aggression' against Iraq, the same crime as Hitler is guilty of

That's the problem you have,
you have to leave the world of surface appearance and your own little world that surrounds you - you have to start dealing with the principles, applying them to individual instances of phenomena, looking for differences and similarities -

- its all bit too abstract for the likes of you - I don't blame you for sticking to what you know, inconsiderable as that is

joe90

As always DrM,
I salute your indefatigueability and your impeccable taste in commenteers,
please keep it up!

Always yours

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