Let's have an open and honest discussion about white people

Gary Younge:

Let's start by talking about how they don't want to integrate. The stubborn rump of around 10% of whites who, according to a 2002 Mori poll, are hostile to racial equality and antagonistic to the very existence of non-white people in this country. Given a percentage point either way, that is the consistent figure who believe that to be truly British you must be white and who do not believe it is important to respect the rights of minority groups.

Let's discuss their inability to choose moderate leaders and the propensity of the leaders they do choose to murder innocent civilians abroad by their thousands. Let's analyse their vulnerability to extremists such as the British National party, not to mention elsewhere in Europe, where fascism is once again a mainstream ideology.

Let's talk about the religious intolerance that rages in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and can be found in the highest levels of the state, where only Protestants can marry into royalty. And let's not forget the terrorists white people have been rearing at home for years, whether they are bombing Brick Lane, parliament or shopping centres in Manchester, and the no-go areas in housing estates, football terraces and boardrooms.

Only then perhaps will it become sufficiently apparent for those with insufficient imagination just how crude and crass the framing of the debate about Muslims has been. Any group of people will rightly bristle at the demand to answer collectively for the acts of individuals with whom they share an identity but over whom they have no control.

The tolerant, secular, liberal society into which Muslims are being asked to integrate lies somewhere between mythology and a work in progress and, the responsibility for transforming it into a lived reality lies with all of us. When it comes to poor whites lured by organised racism, Labour makes allowances.

'It is the poorest whites who feel the greatest anger because there is no way out for them," said Margaret Hodge about some of her constituents in Barking earlier this year. "The Labour party hasn't talked to these people. Part of the reason they switch to the BNP is they feel no one else is listening to them."

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Comments

[Martin]

Is this a 'Muslim' blog or a 'We Hate The Honkeys' blog?

You want an open and honest discussion about white people? Fine.

Whites comprise 90% of the UK's population.

Kriss Donald was murdered by ethnic South Asians.

Discuss.

[Osama]

Martin, it's 'my' blog.

[Martin]

OK, Osama, as you're the one who linked to Younge's piece of crap commentary -

What do 'you' think about whites?

Don't forget to be open and frank.

[Osama]

I think perhaps you should read Younge's article. He's not saying white people are bad people - he's making the point that if we apply the kind of discussions that take place about Muslims to whites, you end up with an extremely flawed analysis of that community.

So while I agree with Younge's sentiments wholeheartedly, you'll see it does not mean I need to add the qualifier that "some of my best friends are white".

Maybe you could elucidate as to what you so eloquently found "crap" about Younge's analysis.

[joe90]

'Black' and 'white' is a false dichotomy anyway - there are no humans who are either 'black' or who are 'white', and there never has been. There are skin shadings from albino-transparant-translucent to dark, rainbow, irradescent pigments and sheens - all of them beautiful!

And there is no such thing as 'multi-culturalism' - what this clumsy epithet refers to should really be known as 'poly-culturalism' -

Democracy is not about 'integration', it is about diversity - only anti-democratic totalitarian regimes and institutions, and their mindless minions, ever get the two confused.

[Sadat]

In the last quarter of 20th century, white people have developed a maze of false grievances thanks to non-stop brainwashing by print and electronic media.

What they call as their land actually belongs to others e.g. Palestine, Andalus, Australia, Americas,...

[Shavez]

Michael Moore's comments on Stupid White Men are pretty instructive.

[joe90]

Nice one Sadat mate - great point!

You could draw a further point and say that it is the 'whites' (ie white-run western establishments and elites) who are the ones who always refuse to integrate wherever they go - and not the 'blacks', or the 'coloureds' or the natives etc
(big apologies if any of these names give offence - I'm just borrowing them from the western elites)

[ainelivia]

OK guys, let's not get into an argument about who is and who is not morally superior. No point.

What is relevant is, to ask the question?

If those who do not belong to the so-called white majority feel that they could do the job better; (then instead of using the above "quote" to illustrate the things that it would not be advisable for anyone, except a Pope, to say directly), could they explain please how they might go about it, and do a better job?

[Osama]

Kriss Donald was murdered by ethnic South Asians.

Discuss.

Martin seems to have gone very quiet.

Could it be that it wasn't a good day to try and make a racial point about crime?

Girl taken from bath and raped
Gunmen grab Glasgow father
US killer in sex abuse confession

Crimes are crimes no matter what the colour of the perpetrators and to try and make racist political points out of them is cheap and tawdry.

[Martin]

My analysis of Younge's piece is here -

http://martinkelly.blogspot.com/2006/10/uks-real-problem-with-race.html

Crap from start to finish.

[Martin]

You spoke too soon, chief -

http://www.theblackmuseum.blogspot.com/

[Y-Love]

1000 kudos on this blog. I actually thought it was political satire until I read the comments. I also write about Islamophobia in the world today.

While obviously I wouldn't stand behind the statements quoted, I think it's extremely valid to bring questions of pluralism etc. to white people, as it gives many members of the "default" culture an insight into that which they only speak of theoretically.

[Martin]

O, I don't know about that.

Being a Catholic in Glasgow on an Old Firm Saturday teaches you a lot about the default culture.

[Martin]

Goodness me, hasn't Osama gone very quiet...

Guys, I just had a thought I'd like to share.

Sadat wrote,

"In the last quarter of 20th century, white people have developed a maze of false grievances thanks to non-stop brainwashing by print and electronic media.

What they call as their land actually belongs to others e.g. Palestine, Andalus, Australia, Americas,..."

Whose land is it?

'Palestine' was Jewish long before it was Muslim.

'Andalus' (presumably Spain - I can't help thinking that 'Andalus' sounds more like a cough medication than a place) was, er, Spanish before it was Muslim.

And if Australia and the Americas are both just constructs of wicked, vicious, European Christian colonists, why do Muslims still move there?

[ainelivia]

Osama, "US Killer In Sex Abuse Confession", yes, I saw a similar headline tripping across the screen at Sky News.

It feels tasteless. Six people are dead, and five in critical condition, there are many shocked and grieving people, among them a woman and her three children.

But the media want us to think, Sex, Killer and Abuse.

It is likely, as in most cases of abuse that the abuser was also abused as a child.

That's the sad part. This situation doesn't begin and end with this man, it began many years ago with someone, who may never be identified, who abused him.

[DrM]

Whats up with all these BNP rejects trolling? Thanks for your contribution Martin, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables.

[ainelivia]

Drm, if Martin is a member of the BNP, which is your assertion and not necessarily a fact, then that is no indicator of intelligence. Luckily.

And please do not insult plant life.

[Sadat]

Abu Hamza used to go to Soho and openly call out to the prostitutes and pimps to stop committing zina. The racist media called him extremist.

Now, Straw is going to Muslim boroughs and openly calls out to Muslimahs to strip off. Their media calls him reformer.

1066 is too long. Its time for another revolution in this island.

[Ted]

Are you planning to start that revolution, Sadat?

[joe90]

Sadat,
Jack Straw is just typical example of a northern lad - this is nothing more than an example of good old northern working class values coming from a typical representative of the upper echelons and vanguard of the New Labour Movement, 'appen!

And this is all part of the traditional north English male culture (according to the London-Oxbridge luvvies) of telling women what to do and where there place is, 'appen.

Normally, Jack the Lad would be getting called a sexist, but in this case, he's a racist and a sexist, appen!

All the best mate!

[joe90]

Northern lad 'appen,
found with huge stash of explosives -
- but don't worry, he wasn't wearing a beard, or a veil, isn't known to be Muslim and hasn't been filmed shouting at John Reid in public -

http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/2790/34/>Ex-BNP man faces EXPLOSIVES charge - No Media Outrage Yet!

- he was just an ordinary caucasian, on the same wavelength as Jack Straw, John Reid and Tony Blair - so he isn't useful racist propaganda material at all for Raving Madman, proprietor of 'The Scum' newspaper.

[DrM]

Say it aint so Joe, surely it must be a conspiracy against the fine lads of the BNP! Nazi degenerates with explosives? Who would have thunk it? Coincidence I'm sure.

[joe90]

DrM,
I'm a big fan of yours, especially your humour!
You're injunction the other day, for smeone to put their glasses on backwards and walk into themselves, or something, was the work of a singular surreal creative genius!

All the best mate!

[Ted]

Re ex-BNP man found with explosive.

Emdby 'member whit the response fae the regular posters on here wiz aboot the alleged transatlantic plot by some Muslims to blow up planes an' that? Wiz it noo alang the lines of 'it's a fit-up, MI5 stitch-up, where's the proof, blah, blah, blah'.

So, to summarizzzzzze -

Muslims caught in alleged terror plot - no true.
Ex-BNP member caught in alleged terror plot - aye, that's definitely true, it's a disgrace so it is, blah, blah, blah.