War on Islam

A few days ago, complaints were directed at the Daily Express about their headline "Britain says: We're at war with Islam".

Turned out that a poll had actually found three-quarters of the British public thought that we are in a battle with "Islamic terrorists".

I wondered at the time though what a poll asking whether we were at war with Islam would conclude. Well, the Daily Telegraph have done something similar. 53% have said that they feel "Islam - as distinct from fundamentalist Islamic groups - poses a threat to Western liberal democracy".

Comments

[Perla Zhemchuzhina]

Well, given how misinformed many people are about Islam and Muslims, it doesn't surprise me in the least...

[naveen]

What aspect of Islam and Moslems are people misinformed about?

The UK is a literate society and people can read the Koran and other relevant texts themselves and make their own judgements.And that is what is happening. In the past people believed the Government deceptions about "Islam being a religion of peace" It is not. It is an extremist totalitarian religion in which the default position is jihad.

Beyond the superficialities of the religion its authoritative core is jihad, the divine command to wage war on the infidel until he is dead, coverted or dhimmified. The core values of Islam are the antithesis of the West and the two are mutually incompatible.

Take last week's attempted blackmail of the Government over the Moslems' demand to have Sharia Law. The Islamic scholar and journalist, M. J. Akbar, offered a response to the consequences of Muslims living without sharia law in his book, The Shade of Swords: “A Muslim does not have to live in a Muslim state, but he must have the right to live by his divine law; if that is denied, then he is in Dar al Harb, or the House of War, and jihad becomes obligatory upon him.”

That is why the majority of the native Britons have turned against Islam and want Moslems repatriated. The public have realised the threat which Moslems pose and want them out. The Government has been slow to follow. However it looks as though more and more of the public will take actions themselves to have Moslems removed as the disparity between political illusion and public reality grows.

[naveen]

You might be interested to know that 83% of Germans consider Islam to be a threat to the West and to democracy.The UK figures are climbing up but the Germans have identified the threat of Moslems much quicker.

[Perla Zhemchuzhina]

Naveen: You said that "beyond the superficialities of the religion its authoritative core is jihad, the divine command to wage war on the infidel until he is dead, coverted or dhimmified." Thanks for illustrating my point perfectly.

If anyone is interested in a more comprehensive, accurate explanation of the word "jihad," you can click here.

[joe90]

The UK is a literate society and people can read the Koran and other relevant texts

- which is true but trivial

naveen, on the other hand, claims to have read the Bible and another relevant text, but seems unable to to recall any relevant facts about their contents. This does not prevent naveen, however, from claiming the Holy Qu'ran inferior to The Bible. How naveen comes by this startling compartive knowledge (in contrast to ignorance) I've no idea. Maybe its a Divine Revelation, or perhaps even this morning's tabloid headlines. We may never know.

The Bible is a central text in understanding 'western culture' (in a broad sense).naveen claims this 'western culture' of theirs to be superior to 'Islamic culture'. As naveen has demonstrated, they know and understand nothing of The Bible, and so we must presume, naveen's own ideas of the superiority of 'western culture' are without foundation. These unfounded claim, commonly refered to as ignorance (in contrast to knowledge), does not prevent naveen from declaring themselves superior to Muslims though (whom naveen mistakes for a human race, rather than Believers of a Religious Faith).

It is obvious how seriously naveen takes their own 'culture' and, therefore, we should treat naveen's claims about it, with equal seriousness. After all, we wouldn't want to be accused of being ignorant racist bigots now, would we?

Immigration vs Integration or something
naveen also claims immigrant communities are 'unsuccessful', compared to non-immingrant communities. The examples naveen uses are, surprise surprise, ALL immigrant communities.
ie the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand (although why naveen leaves out thje likes of South Africa from this list I'm not quite sure, or Hong Kong even)
Indeed the US is the most economically successful country in human history, and the other three are up there as well.

Next,
naveen uses the benchmark of 'integration' as a measure with which to judge how successful immigrant communities are in their adopted new home, specifically using Irish immigrants as an example, that if you can't integrate you get nowhere politically and economically. According to naveen, the Irish are incapable of integrating into the 99.9% immigrant community of the US, hence the reason for their poor record in employment, as far as all the top jobs go in the US.

We will forget the fact, for now, that naveen has already said that countries who allow immigration are, by their very nature, unsuccessful anyway (which is the complete reverse of reality - but reality has never bothered brainwashed ideological racist fanatics like naveen).

So, unsuccessful Irish immigrants to American, and their descendants, incude the Kennedy family whose sons all boast having been employed in all the top political jobs in the US establishment JFK, RFK etc - and have the likes of the old Washington Redskins ballpark named after them, 'The RFK Stadium' -one of the world's busiest and most famous airport named after them 'The JFK International Airport - and of course the epoch making Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

Other celebrated Irish-Americans include actors John Wayne, Margaret O'Hara, Dan O'Brien and President Ronald Reagan

Also there as such famous sporting institutions as The Fighting Irish College American football team - even the NY Jets NFL Amercian footbll team have a bit of the old Irish glamour about them - The Boston Celtics NBA club etc etc

[NAVEEN]

Predictably the resident idiot cannot construct a coherent post and adds yet more rambling incoherence.

The calibre of a people is judged by its intellectuals, military men and politicians and not by its sportsmen and actors. Know any Irish Nobel prizewining economists or scientists?? JFK was a useless President hence the assassination.

America was established by European Protestant immigrants. Until 1965, Third Worlders were not allowed. Since then they have flooded the country like tics on a well fed dog. The result is a deterioration in America. There is a lot of ruin in the demise of a country and America is still white majority and run by whites. But as the white population falls and the Third World numbers increase,unless apartheid is imposed, the country will end up just like South Africa and Zimbabwe. These were formely white dominated strong economies.

President Reagan was a Protestant Scots Irsih and not an Irish Catholic.

The point about the countries that you mention is that they are white immigrant countries with European population stock. That has changed in the last few years. 30-50 years ago the likes of yourself would never have been allowed to live here. Letting you in has not benefited the country. Hence the rational logic is the expulison of such unassimilable aliens.

[joe90]

Old habits die hard -
- it wasn't that long ago that these same Germans, under a similar propaganda barrage, were saying exactly the same things about the Jews !

The likes of The Daily Mail, at that time, also agreed with the German press as to who were the international villians of the peace as well -

Now how is all that for a coincidence, I ask you?

- the same propaganda and brainwashing methods

- the same poll results 70 years apart

- the same reasons used by the governments to destroy democracy and human rights at home

- the same militaristic foreign policies and bloodthirsty campaigns against defenceless innocent countries

- the same war crime committed 'unprovoked aggression'

- the same type of community being targeted at home as a scapegoat for the government's foreign policies and war crimes abroad

- only the victims have changed!

[NAVEEN]

Perla,

we are not as thick as your Moslems. The web site you link to is just another little propaganda piece of al taqiyya. JIhad can mean an internal struggle but its principal meaning and the inherent logic of Islam is the jihad to create the Kingdon of Allah. Islam is not just a religion, it is a political ideology with a legal system.

Many moslems are not bright enough to realise that and are brainwashed by the teachings they receive which essentially turn them into the tools of their rulers. The majority of Moslem countries have high rates of illiteracy. But I am sorry, such naivete at best and deception at worst does not fool others.

Most Westerners are now aware of the threat which Islam poses and you might as well start to wake up to that fact and move on to the next stage which what Moslems will do when the expulsion of Moslems becomes more serious than just being thrown off planes.

[naveen]

Sorry Joe but the strong always rule the weak and you better get used to that fact as there is not much you can do about it. There is little point in going over the same ground.

The white European races invented the modern world and everything in it and conquered the globe. If you think you can change that you are dreaming.

If you and your co- mohamedans believe you can blackmail the British Government and impose your Sharia Law you might just find the inustices start to get a bit closer to home. Gautanamo Bay does not seem hugely different from a concentration camp and its full of Moslems. The Government might just build another one a bit closer.

The position of Moslems in the West is very weak. They are here because they have been allowed, but that permission may be withdrawn.

[joe90]

Yes, as usual you just copy and repeat what I have said - I love it when racist parrots do that - it demostrates how easy it is to brainwash you -

If you look back I said "resident" first and now you cannot stop saying it - much like the word 'terrorist", much like the word "islam" - non-stop gibberring like the fanatic you are.

As to the rest fo your rubbish - why do you keep changing your criteria for 'success'?
- each time you are proved wrong, and not only wrong, but completely ignorant of reality -

And don't worry I don't expect you to understand anything I am writing, because it is about reality of which you haven't the slightest comprehension - this is for the other great, honest, decent people who come to Osama's great blog -

- you are a completely lost cause matey - I couldn't care less what you think about me (or anything else) - which shows you have no arguments, how can you have when mine's are correct anyway - so you have nothing else left but to call other people names, carry squire - it shows what superior culture you are from as you keep telling us - palyground culture that is -

There was no qualification or conditions set by you as to 'successful' and as to 'immigration' -
- now you've been proved to be the ignorant racist bigot that you are ,you can't admit you have been proved wrong - how is that for moral superiority - a coward as well as a racist ignorant bigot!

[joe90]

the strong always rule the weak

The white European races invented the modern world and everything in it and conquered the globe.

So you admit it then naveen, that immigration does work and is successful?

[naveen]

The movement of white European peoples creates successful societies. The movement of Third Worlders destroys societies. Hence the rationale for Empires and the control of the World's resources by the white race.

I would suggest that you stop posting as you are so illiterate and unable to manifest logical thought or clarity of expression that you are an utter waste of time.

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Osama: why are you letting this racist idiot continue to post? Entertaining as the blathering likes of the BNP are, he rather lowers the tone.

[Osama]

It is getting a little tedious isn't it? If anyone wants to make representations on behalf of Naveen, let me know. But due to popular request, he's off.

PS I admire the efforts and tenacity of Joe particularly in persevering with him, and Perla!

[Yakoub/Julaybib]

I'm reading some of the comments here with a sense of disbelief. Are they being postmodernly ironic? Yeah, I think all of Britain should be converted to Islam, but that means converted - there is no compulsion in religion, says al-Qur'an. Why is that a threat? Because the djinns that possess your materialistic, self-loathing bodies grasp your tongue and force you to spout lies and poison about my faith? Or because you think sucking the earth dry and jacking off over page 3 is the best way to live? Come on, what are you afraid of? Curry?

Wasalaam

TMA

[Perla Zhemchuzhina]

Khoda hafez, Naveen jaan...we'll miss you. :)

[joe90]

Thank you for that small tribute Osama -

Your good self, and the rest of the wacky racers I have met, so far, on your great blog are brilliant mate!

All the best!

PS
By the way, I don't mind rolling my sleeves up (in contrast to my trews) and getting my hands dirty - somebody has to do these socially-repulsive menial tasks - I'm not proud!

[munish]

The real problem of course is speaking the truth about Islam and the intentions of those Moslems who have arrived on mass in the West.

[naveen]

Osama's comments show how anxious he is. Joe persevering? It just goes to show the totalitarian instincts of Osama and confirms my point about Islam and the West being antithetical.

[Luqman]

This comment was just disgusting:

"The movement of white European peoples creates successful societies. The movement of Third Worlders destroys societies. Hence the rationale for Empires and the control of the World's resources by the white race."

Is a society successful which relies on the forced, unpaid labour of millions of human beings? (pre-abolition US)

[Luqman]

Naveen, you spout crap:

"Beyond the superficialities of the religion its authoritative core is jihad, the divine command to wage war on the infidel until he is dead, coverted or dhimmified."

The core of Islam are the five pillars. The first is belief, then prayer, the poor-due, fasting in Ramadan and hajj. You can say that jihad is important but you're telling a blatant lie if you say it's the "authoratative core". Also, if non-Muslims have a peace-treaty with the Muslims, the Muslims are not allowed to attack as long as they keep to the treaty. Perhaps you didn't know that?

"And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist." [9:12]

[Sohaib]

Nazi Nav... just shut up now. Seriously.

[DrM]

Osama, have you ever heard of comment moderation? BNP and BJP wannabees are wasting space here.

[illum]

About the "jihad" definition, sure, jihad means "struggle" but so does "kampf", as in "MEIN KAMPF".

Jihad is compulsory for all muslims, the goal is to submit the entire world under the lie known as islam, created by an arab called Muhammed.

Wahhabi muslims haven't hijacked islam, they follow TRUE islam. Don't believe me? Read some about islam yourself.

sahihalbukhari.com
sahihmuslim.com

[Sadat]

Over 30 soldiers who gang-raped a teenaged Muslim girl in south Israel were sentenced to imprisonment for just 1 month in a fake trial in this apartheid society.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3305525,00.html