Forest Gate "specific intelligence" had IQ of 69

The Sunday Mirror have an exclusive on the vital question of what exactly was the "specific intelligence" that led to the bungled arrests of Abdul Kahar and Abul Koyair in East London. Was it just a single source? The Mirror reckon it was - specifically low intelligence with an IQ of 69 at that.

They report that Abu Bakr Mansha, who was jailed for 6 years for having the contact details of a British soldier in Iraq (yes he was jailed under terror laws for that) was visited by the two men shortly before the police raid. After their visit Mansha was moved from being a Cat A prisoner to Cat B, while Abdul Kahar and Koyair were very obviously tailed by the police:

Ex-intelligence analyst Crispin Black, who is investigating the case, said: "To think that a prisoner with an IQ of 69 could be at the centre of this operation is sheer lunacy. If this is the 'intelligence' trigger for the raid it shows something has gone seriously wrong. Everyone knew about the surveillance - children were knocking on car windows asking officers who they were watching. If they were terrorists, they had plenty of warning. They also arrested them at home, where they could be near an explosive device, rather than at work.

A friend of the brothers also commented on the police tail following their jail visit:

"We used to play in the street. Abu was strange. He'd suddenly lose it. Once while playing street football, he got upset as no one passed to him. He took out a gun and went pop, pop, pop." He added: "Once I saw him pee in the eye of a man lying on the floor, for fun. I've seen him do all sorts, bad things, because he's a nutter - but he's no al-Qaeda bomber. He needs help, not banging up. A few guys visited him in jail. I didn't go as I didn't like him, but suddenly Kahar and Koyair were being followed. It was so obvious we all treated it like a joke. Maybe if I'd gone too they'd have raided my house and shot me. It's a f***ing outrage."

And very flimsy grounds by which to leave Abdul Kahar a few inches from being the next De Menezes. Read more analysis at SpyBlog, which I found via BlairWatch.

Comments

[Tim B]

'They report that Abu Bakr Mansha, who was jailed for 6 years fro having the contact details of a British soldier in Iraq (yes he was jailed for that) was visited by the two men shortly before the police raid.'

And for gun ownership.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4553150.stm

[Osama]

Albeit a blank-firing one.

Tangent - Question many have asked about this is that there may be a case for preparation for a murder, but how does this amount to terrorism?

[j0nz]

If only the Muslim community was forthcoming with intelligence they wouldn't have to resort to listening to retards.

Osama, terrorists operate within the Muslim community. They go to mosques and they pray. You can tell the extremists one's apart, I know I can , and I'm not a Muslim. There was virtually no intelligence coming from the Muslim community after 7th July. Why was that?

[Osama]

"Osama, terrorists operate within the Muslim community. They go to mosques and they pray."

So take your shoes off before you enter and mind the bombs.

There's no point in coming forward with information if you don't have any. The picture you're painting is of people planning bombings all over the country, and fellow Muslims turning a blind eye. It's just not the case.

The bombers from Leeds - no one knew what they were about to do. And if the secret services with ability to tap into phone calls, monitor internet etc couldn't crack them, then what chance an ordinary person observing from a distance?

[Saracen]

You can tell the extremists one's apart, I know I can

Well I never! You can tell them apart, eh? How's that? The ones with big beards and traditional clothing, or is it the ones who refuse to pop down to the pub after work. Maybe it's those wierdos who don't join in the dirty chit-chat about women? I mean what IQ does it take to realise that if someone's going to pull off a terrorist attack, they're not going to be the most conspicuous are they? That's like someone saying that all white people with shaved heads are NF!

[j0nz]

Well I never! You can tell them apart, eh? How's that? The ones with big beards and traditional clothing, or is it the ones who refuse to pop down to the pub after work

Well the one's with big beards and "traditional" clothing, are particularly religious. This doesn't make them a terrorist, but it pretty much does make them a fundamentalist. Would you disagree?

Osama I have replied to your comment on my blog btw.

That's like someone saying that all white people with shaved heads are NF!

Well I can pretty much tell an NFer when I see one. Yes they are white, have a very close shave, and sometimes have an emblem that gives them away. Arresting Chinese Buddhists for suspecting Combat 18 activities wouldn't make much sense would it?

[j0nz]

Will the Catholics now revolt and protest at these arrests?

[Sohaib]

> Well the one's with big beards
> and "traditional" clothing, are
> particularly religious.

Not necessarily. Especially since some people could be more religious without these "obvious" signals. And not just if they want to hide their terroristical intentions.

> This doesn't make them a terrorist, but
> it pretty much does make them a
> fundamentalist. Would you disagree?

I certainly disagree, mainly because I have no idea what you mean by "fundamentalist". But to avoid entering that debate for now, let me just suggest that your train of though, which seems to be that fundamentalism is the road to terrorism, is grossly wrong.

[cdnmuslim]

I agree with Sohaib on the "fundamentalism" issue. But think about it, by your logic I could say that anyone that wears a cowboy hat in the US is either a redneck or a neo-con (or at least a supporter thereof)...I'm sure those fellows of Brokeback Mountain following would have some words for you lol.